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To: w molloy who wrote (554)	9/15/1999 7:03:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Neat where'd you get this info... is there a webpage you can reference? BTW anybody know what species "Coco" is? I thought a gorilla... this is the animal they taught sign language to.

To: w molloy who wrote (554)	9/15/1999 7:17:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

>in the same locations.< Can't be the same locations. Human skull and chimp skull are very different, just as a Taurus and Cadillac are morphologically way different. "Analogous" locations maybe after you've corrected for geometry ... but not the same. You might think I'm splitting follicles here, but the point is Bonobo genes are so different from human genes that ... the skull is shaped all different arms are adapted for tree dwelling brain is wired to be OK with constant sex and so on... This is much more than a .1% divergence. As for "gene sequences" ... which ones? Human gene sequences are poorly understood, so Bonobo ones must be even more of a closed box. And which base-pair changes are the "important" ones? You don't want to argue that "house" shares an 80% sequence similarity to "louse". Perhaps that is the bottom line of my discomfiture - measuring "similarity" in a digital medium is meaningless when making comparisons of their analog output, be it music or phenotypes.

To: w molloy who wrote (554)	9/15/1999 8:01:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

w molloy, let's be serious: Bonobos: what percent increase in their gene capacitance will Bonobos need before they can design a Windows 2000? Let's see, I can already see a startling progression: in descending order, most similar first...) 1.Man/Windows 2000 2. Bonobo chimp 3. Pongo chimp 4. Gorilla 5. Orang Utan I can see definite progress here. Perhaps a high schooler may not get it though. Well the science Dept is going to have to work overtime on this part of evolution, :-)) TA Message #554 from w molloy at Sep 15 1999 7:01PM Bonobos.... Criteria used is gene sequences. The similarity list (in descending order, most similar first...) 1. Bonobo chimp 2. Pongo chimp 3. Gorilla 4. Orang Utan Bonobo and H Sap are not 'way different' as you suggest. They just look different. For example, we have the same number of hair follicles, in the same locations. Bonobos are as likely to walk upright. Bonobos are sophisticated tool users. They have a demonstrable sense of self (as do all the primates) Bonobos give us a startling picture of what life may have been like for our proto-human ancestors 2 million years ago. w.