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To: greenspirit who wrote (2712)	9/16/1999 3:42:00 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 6418

See my previous message.

To: greenspirit who wrote (2712)	9/16/1999 6:35:00 PM
From: DJB	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6418

<<I thought it astonishing the other day when you described that your parents group discussed "hate crimes at length" and never discussed the danger your children face toward AIDS>> I have looked back through all my posts and cannot find where I said the parents group discussed hate crimes at length. Since you post this as a direct quote maybe you can provide the post where I said it. In the following post I said we do not discuss AIDS much. Meaning we discuss AIDS sometimes not never as you state. Message 11199778 <<Does accurately reflecting my posts cause your position to falter so dramatically you feel the need to distort it?>> I think this applies more to you then me as evidenced by the above. Be that as it may both AIDS and hate crimes are major problems. However neither is discussed that much at my parents group because we are concentrating on the feelings of the individuals in attendance. <<In 1998 alone, 16,642 AIDS cases were reported among MSM, compared with 11,070 among IDUs and 6,735 among men and women who acquired HIV heterosexually.>> That means 17,805 cases are non MSM which is higher than 16,642 MSM cases which means AIDS is growing faster in the straight community which confirms what I have stated previously - AIDS is growing faster in the straight community than the gay community. I realize that there may be some cross over but this has to be pretty close. <<Now let's contrast this with your fear of "hate crimes". Total number of deaths reported in 95 is 26.>> This is true if you want to take the myopic view that only murder cases are significant hate crimes. In 1995 there were almost 8,000 hate crimes committed in the US. Please visit the following site: fbi.gov There are probably many more hate crimes that are committed that go unreported so I would think the number in actuality is much higher. <<I never said we should condemn the homosexual>> But you did write - Do you think that teaching children that drug users are not worse than other people is tantamount to "advertising for drugs"? And you were implying that gays were in this same category as drug addicts. The implication that these people are worse than other people. I take your saying one person being worse than another as a condemnation of that person. Thus in one fell swoop you were condemning both gays and drug addicts. <<Why do you claim I said something I did not?>> You did say it. <<Does accurately reflecting my posts cause your position to falter so dramatically you feel the need to distort it?>> Since I have proved my point above this no longer applies to me. However it does apply to you as I have shown at the beginning of this post. Erase Hate, Dennis