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To: Bill Ounce who wrote (749)	9/17/1999 4:45:00 PM
From: Nate	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

sorry to tell you this but it also calls evolution a theory. gravity is accepted as a fact, but it is in all terms a theory.

To: Bill Ounce who wrote (749)	9/17/1999 5:48:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Bill Ounce: HUMPTY DUMPTY: read your own link: What it really says is that evolution is not a fact. It is opined to be a fact It is of critical importance for you in life to learn the difference between fact and opinion <VBG> : ----------------------- Here is Stephen Gould's definition of fact. ( note: it is not, 1+1=2 ) (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html) Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are NOT about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." Stephen J. Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981 ------------------------- The above sounds incredibly similar to "Humpty Dumpty" in Carroll, Lewis' " Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There " etext.lib.virginia.edu Page 123 "I don't know what you mean by 'glory, ' "Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'" "But `glory' doesn't mean `a nice knock-down argument,' " Alice objected. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less. "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all." Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them -- particularly verbs, they're the proudest -- adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs -- however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!" Steven Gould: Humpty Dumpty? TA ---------------------------------- Message #749 from Bill Ounce at Sep 17 1999 4:33PM re: Evolution as fact Evolution is a fact as much as gravity is a fact. Science classes teach what the established model is and why this is so. Previous models may also be covered as a historical record. The Theory of evolution belongs in this class at this time. For why this is so see the Evolution is a Theory and a Fact FAQ (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html) Creation stories originating from ancient literature, whether the Bible or other sources belong in a literature or religious class. "Scientific" Creationism could be in a scientific method class where theories and invalid models are identified and the reasoning behind why they are not taken seriously expounded or it could also be covered in a religion class. Nate wrote: then we should teach all theories of creation of the world in literature since not of them have been proven facts. i agree, it's place is not in a science text book. i think there should be a new required course. creation of the world, the theories and myths behind it. would you agree??