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To: Fun-da-Mental#1 who wrote (26283)9/19/1999 10:56:00 AM
From: Benkea  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 99985
 
OT - MSFT divies.

I think most know that MSFT NEEDS to keep large amounts of cash on hand to cover the huge number of puts it is naked to lower the cost of the NECESSARY share buyback (of ridiculously priced stock) to partially off-set the HUGE dilutive affect of the 892 mil options outstanding with an average strike of $11 15/16.

How profitable is MSFT? You first need to subtract 892 mil X $11.94 ($10.7 BIL) in off income statement expenses. That $10.7 bil is equal to the entire after tax net income for the last three years! I think it is safe to say that at $1/2 a trillion, MSFT is priced very reasonably considering it is UNPROFITABLE after options for the last three years.

On last thing, adding the 900 mil shares into the market cap (which SHOULD BE DONE), MSFT is really closer to $600 bil in market cap. Head over to the "South Sea" and get your "tulips".



To: Fun-da-Mental#1 who wrote (26283)9/19/1999 1:52:00 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 99985
 
**OT** If not for the government action against MSFT there would be ZIPPO to charity. Why the sudden generosity now. Charity contributors give steady over their life time. Any one with some common sense will notice.

Now just imagine if racketering charges would be filed now against the most famous mobster of this century?? Oh well you come to the conclusion.

Over history every white collar criminal started to give to charity and make it very public for all to know wen the government was about to get their neck.

Do not want to mention names but even country Presidents are not excluded.

BWDIK
Haim



To: Fun-da-Mental#1 who wrote (26283)9/19/1999 2:19:00 PM
From: Matthew L. Jones  Respond to of 99985
 
At the risk of sounding like a Bill Gates fan, I think dividends is one of the worst things a profitable company can do with earnings. If a shareholder buys stock to get a dividend, they should consider buying a utility stock or even a bond fund. If the objective is capital appreciation, it makes much more sense to see a well managed company take pre-tax earnings and reinvest by constantly acquiring smaller, cutting edge growth companies, or in the absence of acquisitions which make good business sense, the buying back of common stock. Paying dividends is merely distributing profits after taxes. I would much prefer my distributions before taxes as in acquisitions and/or stock repurchases. Just one guy's opinion. Matt



To: Fun-da-Mental#1 who wrote (26283)9/19/1999 2:49:00 PM
From: TimbaBear  Respond to of 99985
 
Whenever I evaluate whether a company ought to pay me dividends, the question I ask is this: "What kind of return will they earn on that money if they don't pay it to me?"....if their return on invested capital is less than mine, then I either want the money in the form of dividends, or I'll buy another company who gives a better return on retained earnings.

I don't have the figures handy, but I seem to remember that MSFT had some outrageously high return on retained earnings and so it makes sense to let them reinvest the profits....I am not an owner of MSFT.



To: Fun-da-Mental#1 who wrote (26283)9/19/1999 3:58:00 PM
From: Berney  Respond to of 99985
 
OT - MSFT Charity

Re: Your comment: They give billions to charity, which is nice, but didn't it ever occur to them to pay a dividend?

Could you post a reference to support your claim of billions paid to charity. I believe you are confusing the principal shareholder with the company.

Berney