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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (5470)	9/20/1999 9:45:00 AM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Excellent. JLA

To: Neocon who wrote (5470)	9/20/1999 10:33:00 AM
From: Catfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Neocon, Your comments are "right-on". In observing your writing style, I have assumed that you must be a professional writer. If so, would you care to disclose what publications carries your articles?

To: Neocon who wrote (5470)	9/21/1999 6:08:00 PM
From: rich4eagle	Read Replies (8) \| Respond to of 769667

Your quite eloquent post was just that a quite eloquent blind endorsement of a (right) view and an almost total disregard for an objective view. First off, you give Reagan the credit for ending the cold war, the cold war was ended by the failure of the Russian economy and the good sense of Gorbachev. Reagan blew the the budget into a spiraling deficit by beating a dying horse about to take it's last gasp. The Soviet Union would have died if we had cut the defense budget during the Reagan years. Thus, he mortgaged the future to bury a dying enemy. And George Bush who was a good president, much better than Reagan, blew it by not finishing Desert Storm, and not recognizing we had a recession in 1991. Reagan's fiscal irresponsibility was monumental and unforgivable for it impacted generations to come. Clinton's agenda was never led by Republican's, rather from the first time I heard him speak 1992, he has been consistent on his view on every subject and has always espoused a pro business centrist view with a genuine democrat concern for the hard working average citizen. This is something that has been sorely lacking in Republican policy for years. Clinton espoused fiscal responsibility, free trade, and health care from the beginning and has maintained that posture. It is interesting you give Wall Street the credit for Clinton hiring a democrat(Rubin) and a republican (Greenspan) to steer the economy. HE HIRED THEM NOT WALL STREET, GIVE HIM CREDIT, or be a blind fool. And the economy has hummed along marvelously the last seven years the best in this Century, what a wonderful job, the Clinton administration has done here. You say Clinton is a fake Centrist, I find no evidence of this. Maybe you just want him to be a left winger so you call him a fake. Provide evidence of this not hearsay. On the subject of healthcare, we the richest country in the world has one the lousiest health care programs for it's citizens. Clinton has been trying to fix this. Meanwhile, your Republican buds keep killing health care and propping up the right to kill with assault weapons and handguns to insure our murder rate remains the highest in the world. I guess if we kill all the sick and poor we don't need a national health care program. This mindset is stuck on sick. The Clinton Administration has managed the economy such that the Reagan budget deficit explosion can be reversed. And Clinton and his directed (Wall Street) economy guys Greenspan, Rubin, and now Summers have been steadfast in trying to use the surplus to pay down debt. Yet, the Republicans seeking votes, for the sake of selling the future want to give away the surplus to fat cats who don't need it at the expense of future generations and those who need help. Free Markets, Clinton has been the strongest proponent of free markets of any president we have had ever. He has strongly endorsed NAFTA, and defended it's survival when the Republicans abandoned it during the Mexican crisis. And BTW, the Mexicans paid off the Clinton directed loan (with no support from Dems or Republicans) early for a $500 million profit for the US. Yet, you guys never give him the credit to stand tall, stand alone and win. Clinton has worked hard to open relations with China and promote free trade there, your buds are trying to find a way to NUKE the Chinese, and he has done as well with Japan and other world economies. He has been the greatest promoter of free trade from the White House in American history. You also, propose putting a religious agenda into politics. The constitution expressly forbids this, and it was the wisdom of our forefathers to do so. Yet, your buds quote the constitution about the obsolete right to bear arms. Wow what stupidity. Then you go on to talk about government downsizing like Reagan and Bush did something. Well, the government payroll increased during both the Reagan and Bush Administration. The only Administration that has actually reduced Government in since WWII has been the Clinton Administration. Then you blow off the biggest phenomena off all, the greatest economy of the twentieth century, is blown off, with a curt "the economy does itself". This slight is your damming statement, it reduces your whole treatise to dribble, which it is. You then go on to say Clinton is blowing the gains of the end of the Cold War. How so, by making relations with China, Russia, and North Korea better than anytime since 1945. Is this bad having friends, if your view is consistent with likes of some of your congressional buds we need enemies to keep the pork barrel full of defense funding. So my friend you message was eloquent and well written, too bad the message was full of inconsistencies and blind disregard for the facts. I look forward to your's and you bud's here to provide rational objective rebuttals, partisan rhetoric keep to yourselves.

To: Neocon who wrote (5470)	9/22/1999 5:49:00 PM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Excellent summation of history. But paragraphs please!!! Liberal historian and journalist Richard Reeves had an excellent piece on Clinton a while back, saying that Clinton was a little acorn off the giant oak of Reagan. (I understand what he meant, but still that could be an insult to Reagan). George Will has called Clinton an inconsequential president, except for the lowering standards and never-ending scandals - BIG exceptions. Paul Gigot noted that Clinton's only accomplishments are conservative ones: free trade/NAFTA, welfare reform and a balanced budget, and the latter two forced upon him by a Republican Congress. We are in the 18th year of what historians are already calling "the Great Boom". Reagan's free market policies have overtaken the world and US business is reigning supreme. We have a balanced budget thanks to the Reagan "peace dividend" and the first Republican Congress in 40 years. Clinton was not allowed to derail the prosperity he inherited and gets no credit from Wall Street or the public for anything more than that. Counter-intuitively, Reagan built trust in government. Bill Clinton destroyed trust in government. Reagan put Bush into office in 1988 as a "third term". Bush ran on his own power and lost in 1992. And as things shape up, Clinton should sink AlGore in 2000.