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To: Ralphd2 who wrote (911)	9/21/1999 10:40:00 AM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Respond to of 69300

Ralph2, this thread is about evolution not about God. The issue is Kansas Board of Education. secularhumanism.org The new standards delete most references to macro evolution, the evolution of man. The state will no longer mandate the subject be taught, and there will be no statewide testing of evolution. Because there?s no testing, some districts may decide to avoid teaching the subject entirely. It also opens the door to creation science, something supporters see as a giant step forward. Ralph2, it is clear that Kansas Board was correct in their choice to make the teaching of macroevolution optional because evolutionism is becoming more and more metaphysical in nature thus entering the same realm of creationism who they accuse. The reason is that evolutionism is becoming more and more a religion. It's premises begin to border on the metaphysical. Here is a card carrying evolutionist ( Ruse ) who admitted that in public: leaderu.com Indeed, this renowned philosopher ( Ruse ) of science had stunned his listeners at the 1993 annual of the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Boston by announcing that he had recently come to view evolution as ultimately based on several unproved philosophical assumptions. Ruse, a professor of zoology and philosophy of science at the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada, was a key speaker at a seminar convened to debunk "The New Creationism." Ruse had specifically been asked to "refute Phillip Johnson's book, Darwin on Trial." (Intervarsity Press, 1991.) Instead, he shocked his colleagues by endorsing one of its key points: that Darwinian doctrines are ultimately based as much on "philosophical assumptions" as on scientific evidence. Assuring his audience, "I'm no less of an evolutionist now than I ever was," Ruse nevertheless explained that he had given fresh consideration to Johnson's thesis that Ruse himself, as "an evolutionist, is metaphysically based at some level just as much as . . . some creationist. . . . I must confess, in the ten years since I . . . appeared in the Creationism Trial in Arkansas . . . I've been coming to this kind of position myself." So the issue here is not God or morals or ethics ( all variables with variable point of views from place to place and time to time ). The issue is that the evolution of man from matter is now premised on the same metaphysical assumptions as creationism is. Metaphysical meaning that it is outside the explanation of science. So we got all kinds of theories from the Big Bang to the little bang but no proof. If you are going to teach theories then you should Creation: The BIG,Big Bang Theory, <VBG>, TA essage #911 from Ralphd2 at Sep 21 1999 12:22AM >>( and by God that I mean the charitable/loving Judeo-Christian God )<< what bible are you reading from? the charitable/loving god who commanded israel to destroy it's enemies root and branch? eye for an eye? charatible? >>All kinds of atrocities and wrongs have been committed by man on man in the name of some moral standard.<< i agree with you on this one. but people often disagree on the nature of evil. good/evil is relative in our universe. if i eat deer meat, it is good for me, but bad for the deer, correct? no one ever (unless they are agreeably insane) believes they are evil. morals, in my understanding, are usually something like "we don't eat pork, becouse it is unclean" ethics are a social construct instituted becouse people need top know what is or is not permitted of them within the society they are living. ethics are usually based off of human nature (ie. don't kill others or all the others will get together to kill you) and the like. there are allways people who want to break the rules, tho, no matter how stiff the penalty

To: Ralphd2 who wrote (911)	9/21/1999 12:00:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 69300

Ralph2--"the charitable/loving Judeo-Christian God". the judeo God initiated contact with men though Israel and generously delivered them to the promised land in spite of Israel letting Him down many times. He was a sterner God in the beginning and definitions of God's love and right and wrong were first introduced through the old Testament to the Israelites. God allowed divorce for example" because, He says of the hardness of their heart ". The concept of love, forgiveness , repentance are hard to swallow out of the blue. So God started slowly. Only later, in the new Testament does the true measure of His love come though. He suffered Himself ( by becoming true man, through His Son, Jesus, part of God ) to show people what true love is. Giving up your legitimate well being to benefit another person who is suffering, freely as He did. So far, unconditional love for our fellow man is the highest expression expression of our humanity and there has never been anything else in nature to replicate that. This is why I believe there is so much opposition to the teaching of evolution is schools. Evolution, survival of the fittest; look out for No 1. Evolution and human secularism essentially disembowel Judeo-Christianity of all their concepts and teaching. Why? Because it is absolutely irrational to " die for your brother ". It is philosophically unacceptable. This is why we have seen the pathetic failure of social engineering a hall mark of the 20 th century welfare state in Europe, Communism, Socialism, The USA's own Democratic party. Their motto has been: " thou shalt be good because we say so ". -Pay astronomical taxes to help thy neighbor; even take your property. etc. etc. -Be nice to your fellow man/woman. Smart kids schooled in our pure-Darwinian-school-of-thought-High Schools correctly responded: " You must be kidding ". So they proceeded: " Off with their head ". Results: Kids killing kids. Spouses abandoning each other and their kids. ("The hell with them"). In rapid development, refusal to pay higher taxes to help the elderly:Hospital care rapidly crumbling. Reelection of a State Leader who is a convicted perjurer, liar, womanizer, adulterer, traitor of his country to China )etcetc. A complete loss of all previous Judeo Christian standards. The current ethical and moral standards are all defined by the evolutionary concepts taught in Public High Schools; Look out for No 1, me. So what we have here is " a great economy, good for me.Everything else doesn't matter. I will vote to reelect him". Also note: In other countries were the removal of the Judeo-Christian God has been more severe ( Atheism and Communism; Russia, East Europe ) the results have been , as expected, even more severe: A total cllapse of a) family,b)economy,c) health care TA . . . . Message #911 from Ralphd2 at Sep 21 1999 12:22AM >>( and by God that I mean the charitable/loving Judeo-Christian God )<< what bible are you reading from? the charitable/loving god who commanded israel to destroy it's enemies root and branch? eye for an eye? charatible? >>All kinds of atrocities and wrongs have been committed by man on man in the name of some moral standard.<< i agree with you on this one. but people often disagree on the nature of evil. good/evil is relative in our universe. if i eat deer meat, it is good for me, but bad for the deer, correct? no one ever (unless they are agreeably insane) believes they are evil. morals, in my understanding, are usually something like "we don't eat pork, becouse it is unclean" ethics are a social construct instituted becouse people need top know what is or is not permitted of them within the society they are living. ethics are usually based off of human nature (ie. don't kill others or all the others will get together to kill you) and the like. there are allways people who want to break the rules, tho, no matter how stiff the penalty