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To: Dayuhan who wrote (56285)	9/27/1999 11:04:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Why is it a stretch? I'd be curious to know....

To: Dayuhan who wrote (56285)	9/27/1999 11:14:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I thought I would add this URL. It is to a post I made tonight giving a description of our strategic position as we (neoconservatives) saw it at the end of the 70s: Message 11377554

To: Dayuhan who wrote (56285)	9/28/1999 12:48:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

RE: Lulling the West into complacency? YOu see, Steven, the devil always shows up when you speak his/her name. :-) But I can't stay more than a few seconds. I would like to make a couple of quick comments, though. No, I do not think the "reformers" showed up "in order to lull the West into complacency." I think Gorbachev was concerned, and had reason to be concerned, about the country's internal problems first. And I think he genuinely wanted to reduce confrontation with the West -- not to pull the wool over its collective eyes. And many of the people who worked with him in those days were true idealists, IMO. And BTW, I also think we owe Gorbachev A LOT. No democratically elected President could possibly have made the kind of concessions to the "other side" that he made; outraged voters would have thrown him out the very next day ("What are you, some kind of commie??" Or, "What are you, some kind of capitalist??") And why does Gorbachev still get mobbed by admirers when he comes over here? Because HE is the man many Americans think deserves primary credit for ending the Cold War. And I don't think Yeltsin personally brought anything "crashing down." But that's another -- and even longer -- story. Joan