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To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (7236)	10/1/1999 8:44:00 PM
From: Ausdauer	Respond to of 60323

Ashley, I got home late from work and drank too much plum wine. I will try to answer your questions, but I may have a few questions first. Thanks for coming to the Thread and creating a needed diversion from the 20 foot swells that have rocked the SNDK boat and made us all quite nauseated. Aus

To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (7236)	10/1/1999 8:51:00 PM
From: Wyätt Gwyön	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 60323

I am amazed at the way the price has tanked. Naturally this is depressing to longs. However, unless you are margined to the hilt or strung out on short term, out of the money options, I don't think it is such a bad situation. A bad situation, to me, is when the fundamental picture changes. Can anybody explain what has changed in the fundamental picture to warrant a correction from 95 to sub-60--that's going from a bathing suit to a cardigan, and the leaves aren't even off the trees yet! Absent such a change in fundamentals, it looks to me like a good chance to buy in. This type of correction can be counted on with stocks that become momentum-ish (as is the case for all one-year ten-baggers). I find it very exciting and a great opp to load up. Those with there wherewithal to add to their positions may find that the lemons of the current weakness make for great lemonade. But be careful with short term options and only buy far into the money (unfortunately, the price has fallen so far, the newly issued Nov. series is all out of the money!). However, Jan 40s can be had for 22 7/8, or less than 3 dollars time premium--means you're making money if the stock goes to 63+ by Jan 22. Think that can happen? I do.

To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (7236)	10/2/1999 10:17:00 AM
From: Art Bechhoefer	Respond to of 60323

Ashley, for the number of photos you contemplate in your sampling, the important factor is the size of the flash memory card. Cameras designed for compact flash are the only ones that could accommodate the numbers you are thinking about, and only if the card size is of the order of 128 or 256 megabytes. A lower resolution photo setting on my Nikon, currently equipped with a 96 mb SanDisk CF card, will provide somewhere near 250 shots. Displayed on a computer screen these would be satisfactory and contain enough detail to determine size, color, etc. The interval between photos, allowing time to write the image to the CF, would be probably about one second, maybe less. However, the drain would on a set of alkaline batteries would probably limit the number of shots to about 50, or even less if a flash were used. The answer would be an external power supply, such as the AC power accessory for the Nikon. This set up makes the camera a little more difficult to handle, but as long as your camera position remains pretty much fixed, I don't see a real problem. The main thing is the size of the CF card, which for your needs ought to be 256 mb. SanDisk is the only company that makes anything near this size. And only those cameras designed to accept a compact flash card can be considered. Art

To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (7236)	10/2/1999 10:43:00 AM
From: Ausdauer	Respond to of 60323

Ashley, Having thought about this briefly I think a better option is to set up a videocamera with a laptop and a software progam that "graps" a frame at given intervals This may be the cheapest option for you. I am still deliberating. Ausdauer

To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (7236)	10/2/1999 12:38:00 PM
From: Ron C	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 60323

Ashley,Art,Aus: <<"I want eventually to use digital cameras to identify and measure individual fish as they come aboard vessels, and go down a shute.">> My first question would be related to financing.How much of a budget do you have? When you say you will be putting systems with observers on boats,how many will that be? What are the duties of these individuals. Do they sit at an expensive laptop and monitor the influx of the fish? If you purchase a laptop and a digital camera plus accessories,lighting,etc.you could have a bundle invested in each boat.Lighting will probably be the constant.I hate to regress ,technologically speaking,but,why not consider a plain ole monitor w/camera and feed into a VCR. The tape can be monitored &/or info pulled off and transferred via satellite link. It would be more of a "no brainer". Tape the fish,identify and a few outtakes over the link can be compiled at the main database. The tapes are fairly inexpensive and can be filed,erased,whatever. CF is the technology of choice however.Art and Aus present good points. In my own endeavor dealing with horses,I have found that digitals tend to pick up "dust" particles which reflect into the camera.This has also happened when I have taken pix during snowfall or rain.You may want to consider this because splashing water from the fish in the chute may present a problem. Keep us updated.Sounds like a great venture using technology to save our shrinking planet. Ron

To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (7236)	10/3/1999 8:38:00 PM
From: Starlight	Respond to of 60323

Ashley - With that many fish to photograph, why not do a video and then "freeze-frame" the replay whenever you want to inspect a certain fish? Betty

To: A.J. Mullen who wrote (7236)	10/3/1999 8:54:00 PM
From: Ausdauer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 60323

Ashley, I thought about the fish chute question and I am not certain that a digital camera will suit your needs. First, I am not aware of any cameras that shoot pictures as a regularly timed interval. Most are designed to shoot only one picture at a time. You could set up a rig with a video camera similar to Betty's panda site where a frame is grabbed every 30 seconds or so. This will likely require a laptop with a frame grabber. You may be able to set this up with a Snappy! or like device attached to the parallel port. There must be some software to allow you to capture images intermittently. A key concern will be shutter speed and I have some doubts that most of the digital cameras on the market are capable of adequate shutter speed for moving objects taken from a fixed vantage point. Most digital cameras are relatively slow...equiv. to 100 speed color film. I still vote for a video camera with a simple frame capture device. Ausdauer