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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (27408)	10/3/1999 8:18:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Respond to of 39621

Greetings My friend and brother in Christ and all who love the Lord Jesus Christ. Good to hear from you again, doing what you do so well, sharing the sacred scriptures with us. How are you and your wife and family doing?. I've had a very busy summer, a daughters marriage and spending much time with my grandaughter. How is your grandchild?. They are so precious..................we are truly blessed. It is always a joy to me to read your posts as you stand steadfast grounded in the Word of God. Thank you. Grace and peace be upon you and your family Emile. Robert

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (27408)	10/3/1999 9:38:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

angelfire.com What is Messianic Judaism? Is it a new Christian denomination? A Branch of Judaism? BOTH? Asking different people will yield different answers. Most Jews view Messianic Judaism as Christianity in Judaism?s clothing. And some Messianic Jewish congregation leaders/rabbis would agree! But I think there is something more to Messianic Judaism than Christians masquerading as Jews. I would like to start this discussion by showing that despite Messianic Judaism?s Christianness, it is unquestionably Jewish. As far as religious observance they are "Orthodox." Reform Jews are goyim compared to Messianic practice. The difference in Messianic Jews is that they emphasize Biblical practice over rabbinic halakhah. How big this difference will be between Orthodox practice and Messianic practice is being determined now as a distinct Messianic halakhah is currently being developed. Messianic Jews uphold onides? 13 Principles of Faith, the "creed" of Judaism. Of course, they differ about the Messiah in that instead of "I will await the Messiah?s coming every day," Messianic Jews "await the Messiah?s 2nd coming every day." If a group is both orthodox and ortho-praxis, what keeps them accepted as part of the mainstream? I once asked a reform Jew why Jews did not accept Messianic Jews as Jews. Her reply was that because they believe the Messiah has come but Jews do not. This reasoning is flawed. There have been at least 12 Messianic claims since the 1st Century. Every Jew that believed one of these men was the Messiah was still regarded as a Jew. How many Jews believed Simeon Bar Kokhba was the Messiah in the 2nd Century? In fact, those Jews that did not believe he was the Messiah (e.g. Christian Jews) were regarded as unpatriotic, hence, not Jewish! But now Jews accuse Messianic Jews as not being Jewish because they DO believe in a Messiah! Of course, there have also been "messiahs" in this century. Are the Jews that believe in these recent messiahs any less Jewish than the Jews that don?t believe in them? Paul (Rabbi Sha?ul) had this to say about being Jewish: "A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man?s praise is not from men but from God. " I showed above how Messianic Judaism is unmistakably Jewish. How is it Christian, if it is Christian at all? Jesus, Y?shua HaMashiach, was sent by God to the Jewish people. The followers of Y?shua were all Jewish; their testimonies can be read in the first 4 books of the Christian Scriptures. They continued to be Jewish and in fact, Christianity did not loose its Jewish side until maybe as late as the 5th Century when the Nazarenes died out. God did not intend to create Christianity, and He certainly did not do so through His Messiah nor through His Apostles (Paul, etc.). It is only by historical accidents (Bar Kokhba incident, etc.) that Christianity (i.e. those that believed that Y?shua was the Messiah) branched off from Judaism. By this time Christianity had become largely gentile (the small population of Jews in comparison to gentiles was worsened by persecution of Jews from the Romans in the first couple Centuries) and had no to become Jewish. The Jews did not accept Christians because 1) they didn?t support their campaigns against the Romans and because 2) they believed Y?shua was the Messiah. Without another body to give their group structure, Christianity set out to establish its own religion. Messianic Judaism is a return to that early faith that the apostles testified to in the Scriptures. Is Messianic Judaism Christian? Yes, but not in the historical sense, but in the Biblical sense. Not in the political sense (no official ties to Christian denominations, i.e. Messianic Judaism is not a denomination), but in the dictionary sense ("followers of the teachings of Christ"). Seeing that modern Christianity is far removed from the place God had for her, I think Messianic Jews should take great pride in being Messianic JEWS rather than being Jewish Christians. Messianic Jews are the real Jews (or as some say, "complete Jews"); Messianic Jews are the real Christians. In the beginning of what we call "Christianity" there was little difference between them and the rest of Judaism. I hope that Messianic Judaism not only bridges but also works to close the current gap between Jews and Christians. It is my hope that Messianic Judaism will bring more Jews to know their Messiah and also bring Christians back to their Roots. Alan