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To: Ilaine who wrote (57206)	10/5/1999 1:26:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>If one is told something that sounds useful, and is useful, one may believe it, without necessarily being delusional. Credulous is more the word I'd use. < Credulous doesn't quite capture it. I like E's word "fabulation". It confers the idea that an otherwise bright, sophisticated person is operating at several levels - and the premises in some of these levels are incompatible. That is the key to "believing your own bullshit" - chaperoning your internal dialog. Reagan appears to have been quite good at it.

To: Ilaine who wrote (57206)	10/6/1999 7:13:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

We don't disagree in general about whether Bush or George W are "actors"; all of them are, of course, to some degree. There comes a time when a difference in degree becomes a difference in kind. There comes a time when the dangerousness of, and precedent implied, by the phenomenon should, politics aside, alarm anybody. About neither Bush nor his son would anyone think to write this, and think it was a "normal" way of assessing the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. But if this can be said without shame, as it is by even many smart people-- we are are in trouble. <<<I admire the man greatly as a leader of this country. Regardless of any personal short-coming, he was able to look into a camera and make Americans feel safe, confident, proud, optimistic -- a hell of a gift. >>> It is begging with a cup to be manipulated. We are manipulated, as you imply, in any case; we do not have to beg for it, and endorse it.