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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (14847)	10/9/1999 6:34:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Charles, Cool it maaan.... with your buddy Rabbi Eugenio! Even Rabbis can be wrong, after all! Actually, I'm no brainbox as regards religious renegades between Judaism and Catholicism or vice versa. Yet, I'd advise you not to take these "persuasion transfers" at face value --do I mean double loyalty? Well, I know how sensitive an issue this innuendo becomes when raised in the US political arena.... But, after all, the Vatican is also "just another sovereign state", that is, a political/diplomatic apparatus whose spiritual agenda might come up against Israel, the USA, or any other country (just think of the former Eastern bloc!). Don't get me wrong though: I don't accuse your dear Rabbi Eugenio of having infiltrated the Catholic Church; however, other instances of high-profile conversions of Jews to Catholicism should make you think about the vantage point one gets in advancing his/her fellows' cause from inside instead of as an allegedly contending outsider.... Here's an interesting case study which illustrates how much wishful thinking leads us to forget that one can never completely discard his/her background: LE TEMPS IRREPARABLE 23 June 1996 PARIS CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP FORBIDS ATTACKS AGAINST ISRAELI POLICIES After many weeks of silence, cardinal Lustiger, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Paris launched a violent attack against the most revered priest of France, the abbe Pierre who gave his support to the revisionist book of Roger Garaudy, The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics. Reviled by an almost unanimous condemnation by the press of his position but strengthened by a recent poll showing he had lost only 2% of the favorable views expressed by the French public opinion, the abbe Pierre delivered a heavy blast, blaming the fictitious unanimity of the press on the Zionist lobby. During the controversy, since March, the French Roman Catholic Church handed out only one rather low-key statement, rejecting the revisionist view and providing the Church's own view that one cannot go against "the most solid conclusions of the international scientific community", a rather unexpected source of knowledge for this Church. The Paris Archbishop, born Jewish, converted to Christianity when he was still a teenager. A, intellectual priest, his career has been very quick. In books and interviews, he maintains that he is at the same time a Jew and a Christian, although this seems difficult to understand to his more simple-minded parishioners. The intellectual establishment and the press love it. To express his "blame" to the abbe Pierre, although he has no authority over a monk like the abbe, he choose Tribune juive, a minor Jewish weekly. "What is at stake, he said, is an attack against Israeli policies and, on par with it, against Zionism and the Jews in general." Usually in order to shield Israel from criticism, it was said by its supporters that a critique of Zionism was a veiled attack against Jews. But the ordinary use of criticism against Israeli policies was authorized as a proof that the use of criticism was still allowed. Archbishop Lustiger, who recently introduced a seemingly Jewish rite into a Catholic celebration for the seven monks assassinated in Algeria, now forbids any criticism of Israeli policies or, more probably restricts its use to authorized circles. It was strange situation, without a precedent, to see a self-proclaimed Jew as one of the leading personalities of a Roman Catholic Church. But now the same person acts as an Israeli spokesman. This situation is unheard of. Extracted from: shamash.org

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (14847)	10/9/1999 6:41:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Follow-up to my previous post: More background on Cardinal Lustiger that might prove helpful in understanding the controversy with l'Abb‚ Pierre.... REUTER INFORMATION SERVICE - Wednesday 18 September 1996 Jewish-born cardinal is Pope's key man in France Copyright ¸ 1996 Nando.net Copyright ¸ 1996 Reuter Information Service PARIS (Sep 18, 1996 08:53 a.m. EDT) - France's top Roman Catholic was born a Jew. His mother was arrested by the Nazis and died in the Auschwitz extermination camp. That helped make him an outspoken campaigner against racism and injustice. Pope John Paul's visit to France from Thursday will cast a spotlight on Jean-Marie Lustiger, 70, the cardinal-archbishop of Paris, tipped by some Vatican watchers as an outside contender to succeed the ailing Pontiff. A personal friend of the Polish Pope, the Paris-born son of Polish refugees converted to Christianity while he was hidden in Catholic boarding schools during the 1940-44 German occupation. At a school in Orleans, a classmate denounced him to the Nazis and he had to flee and hide in yet another Catholic institution in Toulouse. The papal visit finds him, typically, embroiled in a public dispute with far-right anti-immigration crusader Jean-Marie Le Pen, whose espousal of racial inequality Lustiger this week branded "a resurgence of the most cynical paganism." "We have known for 50 years that the theory of racial inequality can be deadly... It leads to horrors," he said. Lustiger's behaviour when Algerian Islamic guerrillas kidnapped and killed seven French Trappist monks earlier this year drew some criticism. In a dramatic gesture, he snuffed out seven candles in their memory at Notre-Dame cathedral live on the television news -- before their deaths had been officially confirmed. The cardinal also demanded that Moslem leaders dissociate themselves from the murder, which some saw as lumping them together with the Algerian extremists. Ordained in 1954, Lustiger rose rapidly through the Church hierarchy, serving as chaplain of the Sorbonne University for 15 years. As a parish priest, he became famous for hard-hitting sermons which were published as a book and recorded on tapes. In 1979, Lustiger was named bishop of Orleans, where his former Sorbonne parishioners often came to hear him preach. "Without ever playing politics, the Church can and must play its role, which is spiritual," he told Le Figaro newspaper in 1982. "But the spiritual, at its best, is concrete." In 1981, Pope John Paul appointed Lustiger archbishop of Paris because they were both "modern traditionalists" and knew each other well. His appointment to succeed Cardinal Francois Marty was the highest ever for a convert. Lustiger's background was a reminder of bitter post-war controversy over Jewish children hidden and saved by Christian families but converted in the process. When he took office, the French Church was dogged by a profound split between conservative older worshippers and young priests, backed by the Church leadership, who believed Catholicism should take a crusading role in social reform. Like the Pope, Lustiger opposed both ultra-traditionalists and the openly Marxist-leaning "New Left." An intransigent supporter of papal doctrine, he has fought to revive enthusiasm in the Church, which has been suffering from dwindling membership, fewer candidates for the priesthood, and the closing of seminaries. Lustiger has taken a vigorous stand on social issues, advocating the right to work and condemning the exclusion of immigrants. In 1994, he angered police by asking the Vatican to beatify Jacques Fesch, the guillotined murderer of a policeman, who converted to Catholicism and became a mystic while in prison. The archbishop said Fesch's beatification would give hope to those who felt their lives had been hopelessly wasted. Extracted from: christusrex.org

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (14847)	10/9/1999 7:29:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Just to set the record straight about the allegedly massacre of French monks by so-called GIA fanatics: Message 9923794 Click on the 'geocities' link and go straight to the end of the page to read the relation by French daily Le Monde or its Spanish version --an English version can be found on: anp.org BTW, it's 4:30 AM EST and Charles is already on the ball! Full of pep today, eh??