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To: marc chatman who wrote (52729)10/9/1999 12:28:00 PM
From: k.ramesh  Respond to of 95453
 
The best idea so far, in the last 200 posts seems to be the one that said : Time to hurl your profits into 2000.
While it is difficult not to overcommit, by looking at every down move on the OSX as a buying opp. the sanest course seems to be to set up groups like big e&p small E&P, land shallow, deep, service, equipment and to merely exchange among them so that you are not shut out of any up move, at the same time you are not stuck in analysis paralysis, and along the way you get subsidized by Uncle Sam. Seems better than do nothing. You could always buy now on margin and sell later if selling at the low is distasteful.
Meanwhile the perception of OPEC has changed from a bunch of clowns to the center of the oil universe. This is not a bad thing. Remember it is more than OPEC that has an interest in reasonable oil prices, Big Oil, Texas ...
Minor unrelated good news ignored by this thread, GE making tons of money on gas turbines, Venezuela's Chavez stealing a lot from pdvsa to pay for social pgms thereby postponing the spending, big oil has n't spent money for a while. Pay me now or pay me later. Though now would be a lot better.
Ramesh



To: marc chatman who wrote (52729)10/9/1999 1:49:00 PM
From: Gary Burton  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95453
 
Marc-As you have likely deduced by now, counting waves is an art, not a science, unfortunately. Where one sees an ABC, another sees a 5w for eg. That's the frustrating thing about EW.-- Because of this, my approach is to look for clearly defined patterns, rather than trying to force a count on to a chart. If I am only say 60/40 on one count and the other would lead to a very opposite impact, I usually pass on the chart and go to another one. Who needs to guess when the odds are close and maybe it turns up tails when you guessed heads. ---In general, one usually finds waves 2 and 4 alternating in appearance. If wave 2 is a quick zigzag, for example, wave 4 will like be more complex, such that it is NOT a zigzag like 2 was. For eg, wave 4 could be an 'irregular flat' where the (a) goes up and the (b) dips BELOW the bottom of (a) and then the (c) goes back up to beyond the top of (a)--the entire formation being Wave 4. Often, if one counts 4 and 2 as being similar in shape, one's count turns out to be wrong. So, in looking at a sequence, tell yourself 'if I see a quick blip for 2, I will EXPECT a more complex formation for 4'--which is probably why the late97-late 98 sequence for HAL is really only one 5 wave sequence (where you thought a B happened, it was really the irregularness of wave 4 that crosses one up--just a thought).------I don't expect the price of oil to go back to the lows---but many of the osx stocks are within shouting distance of their lows already even with oil above 20. If oil dipped furthur to say 17ish, one could envision new lows on some of the osx stocks simply due to momentum. for eg, FGI and MDR have already taken out their lows and some others are not that far from it----Big picture--Whenever I see a 'thrust' type of one way take no prisoners significant drop, I usually assume that all blips up and down are really part of the same wave, so that at the end, it is more likely a 5 wave---And often when a 5 wave ends, it turns out to be only the A of an eventual ABC larger wave (which is how ZigZags get formed).--- It is THIS fact that worries me in here. I am concerned that the osx drop has been far too sharp and fast and one way oriented to simply be the entire correction and away we soon go to new highs. As I see it, it is 'more likely' to instead be just the A of an eventual ABC--thereby enticing many investors to now let their greed take hold of them and now start chasing the osx stocks back up but winding up near, say, 75-80ish at the top of a B Wave and therefore caught again. --V Bottoms usually don't last as they need to back and fill and put in another leg to the stool in order to gain enough support from which to launch a lasting rally.--That is the ONLY reason why I am still highly cautious in here 'right her,right now' as Slider would say----btw Slider, MDR will likely rally come Monday since the Indonesian contract has been ratified--but my reading of the chart is that the rally will likely be a wave 4 hook into the low 20's and with the 17's still waiting for the final low in wave 5---My best guess on oil is that the current drop is finished and that clx will soon rally towards 23-24 to put in a B wave and then it will 'plunge' one more time to 17-20 to complete C---at which point, it might be safe to jump in . Nimble traders of course can jump in and out during the likely B wave rally soon to start. good luck.



To: marc chatman who wrote (52729)10/9/1999 2:18:00 PM
From: RWS  Respond to of 95453
 
Marc

You are correct. The A wave from late '97 subdivides into five secondary waves: w1 from 10/31/97 to 1/16/98; w2 from 1/16/98 to 5/1/98; w3 from 5/1/98 to 9/4/98; w4 from 9/4/98 to 9/18/98; and w5 from 9/18/98 to 10/9/98. If you look at the daily and hourly charts, the aforementioned waves 1,3, and 5 subdivide again into 5 wavelets, and waves 2 and 4 subdivide into usually 3 wavelets.

Why label it as A instead of a completed ABC wave 4? First, a general rule is that a corrective wave can take as long as the impulse wave it is correcting. The move from $10.88 in April '92 to $63.25 in Oct. '97 took almost six years, so a correction of less than 1 year is unlikely.

Second, if the 10/9/98 low was the end of a wave C of an ABC series 4th wave, then what followed should have been a strong five wave move up to begin the large wave 5 to complete the series of five waves up that started in mid '86. As Gary Burton has been discussing, what followed the 10/98 low was instead a three wave move up, which is the structure of a B wave reaction to the initial move down from the $63.25 high. B waves have complex subdivisions and they can retrace from 38% to over 100% of the A wave, in this case it was a 70% retrace. As you can see in '83 it was only a 40% retrace. The extent of this retrace has bullish implications that the C wave will not drop to the same extent that it did in '86 which was another 63%. So I think for HAL $23 should hold. Even if it doesn't get to $23, if it is near a low in early April, that is the reversal point for this move down and the time to buy with abandon.

I don't trade futures and have not studied the charts for oil in detail, so I can't comment on the relationship with the OSX, except that the OSX charts reflect investors opinion of that relationship among others.

BTW don't chew that arm off. There will be bounces that allow profit taking. It looks like April 30 calls on HAL can be sold for a hedge for over $7, probably more on a bounce.

Regards,

RWS