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To: Jamey who wrote (27689)	10/10/1999 11:05:00 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

It was the wave of Catholic immigrants that provided the backbone of the soldiery and clergy in both world wars, particularly WWII.

To: Jamey who wrote (27689)	10/10/1999 11:05:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

James, Yes many Christian soldiers died for this country. So did many Jewish ones, many Islamic ones, Many Hindu ones, some native Americans, and many others. They all died for all of us, no exceptions. That does not make it a Christian country. I am not impugning America. America has many great qualities, and some qualities that are less than great. This country was clearly not established as a Christian country. It was clearly established with a separation of Church and State, and no where is Christianity mentioned as an official religion of this country. The treaty with Tripoli(that I previously posted) and signed by the 2nd President of these same United States does specifically say that this is not a Christian country. Many of the founding Fathers had rather poor opinions of Christianity that they expressed in some of their papers. I could show you many by Thomas Jefferson. The hypocrisy I mentioned is evident. Many of the Founding Fathers professed a faith in Christianity and also expressed very opposite feelings. What would you call that? I am not overjoyed to say that they ae hypocrites, but I won't shy away from saying something that appears quite evident to me either. If it bothers you so much, you tell me what to make of these very conflicting statements! Please don't tell me that some of them are fabricated, because they aren't. If these conflicting statements aren't hypocritical, what are they? Mark

To: Jamey who wrote (27689)	10/11/1999 6:15:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 39621

The records of the constitutional convention show no mention of God, or Jesus, or the Church, or religion, except the agreement that there should never be a religious test for office, and that affirmation can be used instead of oath. There is no discussion of establishment or freedom of religion. They just weren't interested in those questions. Even the attacks on slavery (such as by G. Morris) were based on the principles of the Enlightenment, rather than the Bible which never condemned slavery.