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To: greenspirit who wrote (58432)	10/11/1999 3:03:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael, it seems to me that YOU are the one who needs to provide factual evidence for YOUR assumption. Of course, since the majority of the people in this country think of themselves as Christians (whether they are church-goers or not) you can probably get away with saying that most charitable organizations were started BY Christians. But you are going to have to prove that they started them AS Christians, rather than as good citizens. Go through the directory (and it's a fat one!) of all charitable & humanitarian organizations in this country. I'll eat my hat if the majority of them have a denominational association. You apparently did not get my point about atheists. An atheist is just not going to set up an "atheist" charitable organization. Atheism is not a faith; there are no atheist churches, nor even a national organization (forget Madeleine O'Hare -- that's dead, and she is, too). Your average atheist is going to support Save the Children, or Amnesty International, or Big Brothers, or whatever, because he believes in what the organization is doing. He does not give a hoot in a high wind whether it's run by atheists, or voodoo priests, as long as it does what it ought to do. Joan

To: greenspirit who wrote (58432)	10/11/1999 5:18:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

I am posting way, way too much, but couldn't pass this up ~ Promise Keepers isn't a charitable organization, per se. It's a Christian religious organization. It's organized on religious principles. It's not a religion, in and of itself, but it exists to serve religious goals, namely, to persuade men to live according to Christian principles, especially with respect to their families. I don't have a problem with that, but thought it should be made clear. There are religious charities, e.g., Salvation Army, St. Vincent de Paul, Catholic Charities, to name a few, and there are non-religious charities, e.g., Red Cross, Medicines sans Frontiers, ACLU, Habitat for Humanity, to name a few.