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To: Brumar89 who wrote (27706)	10/11/1999 10:51:00 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Bruce, I always HATED history in school, probably why I should have been one of Adams kids, so I would not have had to study much history!!:o), but insight to these founders minds is not a strong point, only I see what I see. I suppose one could say that the history of religious wars in Europe could have convinced the founding fathers that <<religion should not be established>> here. I guess that's an influence of a sort. I think you suppose right, only how about insert the word "state religion" should not be established. I am a follower of Christ, but I do not want any "state religion" either. The Highest Power has given men freedom to walk away from His Grace, so how could I make men follow Him? I can't, and neither could the founding fathers. That has not been my point. God IS, you cannot establish what already IS. My point has been that atheists are very active in wanting this country to believe that there is no God ,and they have already made many inroads, so they and others, will use any means to get you to believe that God has not been active in the lives of men. The quotes I have shown prove otherwise. However, I can't see what influence Christianity had on them that guided them in their political / public lives. Bruce, I could give you tons of quotes here, but here are just a couple of things. 1.Congressional prayer. purpose? 2.Day's of fasting called by these men. purpose? See Christian influence does not mean that a "legal document" has to be prepared. It only means that men of Christian principle were present and active. Perfect?? By no means. but there none the less. thanks dan

To: Brumar89 who wrote (27706)	10/12/1999 9:05:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

I agree with you. I have looked for religious reference in Madison's notes on the Constitutional Convention. There is almost nothing there -- certainly nothing that suggests Christianity. There are a few sentences about "religious tests never being required" and "oath of the president (a godless oath)." I could hardly imagine that most of these people were Christians. As to Jefferson, he didn't deny the divinity of Jesus, he simply said he had some doubts about it.