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To: Rambi who wrote (58628)	10/12/1999 10:29:00 AM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

Remember that actors were forbidden in the middle ages to be buried in holy ground. They were considered heretics, and could be murdered without punishment of the killers. Actors and minstrels were excluded from the church for many centuries. There is a "poet's corner" in Westminster Abbey, plenty of buried soldiers, not too many actors.

To: Rambi who wrote (58628)	10/12/1999 10:35:00 AM
From: Crocodile	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Because sports are just another form of "war"... and the "huddle" is just a more modern version of the Roman soldiers' last-minute prayer huddle when he would appeal to Mithras to help him to defeat his enemy in the coming battle...

To: Rambi who wrote (58628)	10/12/1999 4:02:00 PM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Rambi, you wonder about prayer as part of the culture of sport. Many find sporting contests symbolic of war. Not unusual for combatants to ask God's help and protection on eve of battle. Theatre and choir, to my knowledge, not symbolic of war (or competition). Now if there was some kind of contest involving many choirs, it would hardly surprise me if a "prayer" popped up. Think again if you believe professional sport is strictly a private affair. Generally speaking, taxpayers subsidize the hell out of private sport. There are sweetheart tax deals, land deals, stadium funding, road improvements, construction and on and on.... I pray daily but never "for" anything specific. I may "remember" someone or thing in praying, but mainly (for me) it's simply an act of humility and a chance to be thankful. If there's a God who "hears" prayers, I figure that God is better at deciding who or what deserves the benefit of my devotion, more than me. Curious about your reaction to these thoughts. I will repost on DAR later, if you only dropped in here for a short visit. Mike

To: Rambi who wrote (58628)	10/13/1999 9:23:00 AM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Tired and weary from surviving his first house-full of Tiger Packs he scans the battlefield for survivors. Looking to the east his notices Stephen standing tall and pointing his hands to the sky proclaiming "No one understand this land better than I!" To the north, death and mutilated bodies abound. To the West he glimpses nihil still struggling to get out of the feces pit. More strangely, he appears to need to go #2 while at the same time mired in it. To the South, Rambi stands half naked her clothes torn and raged but with her bayonet aimed squarely at Michael. (Thank God Michael C escaped unharmed) Uh, oh, there he goes proselytizing again! Tired and weary, the battle scarred conservative spits out this final question to Rambi, and then rambles incoherently..... Do you yearn for an America in which God is allowed and honored outside of our churches and synagogues, or do you want an America in which lip service is paid to him, so long as he is kept out of the real world? For that is the central question. And the tone of many posters here reminds me of the movie the Ten Commandments when the father learning that his son is Hebrew say's "Remove the name Moses (GOD) from every tablet and every statue, and have it never to be spoken again!" I believe the Green Bay Packers is owned by the City. So we really must protect those ball players from ever hearing the name God spoken on the field of play. Because, whenever you speak the name, it can be interpreted as a form of prayer and we can't have any of that destructive evil stuff happening can we? While we are at it, let's get rid of paying for chaplains and churches in the military. Stop saying a prayer before the opening of Congress. And remove the Bible from taking the oath of office of "President of the United States". By the way, why do we pledge allegiance to the flag and say "so help me God"? Ooops, also forgot about that evil Bible in the courtroom. Can't have that possibly doing damage to young children who might hear an oath taken upon it. You're concerned about one road going to far Rambi, and I'm concerned about the other. Michael