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To: Ilaine who wrote (58967)	10/13/1999 9:21:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

CB, do you actually read my posts or do you just jump on what you perceive is written? I never said or inferred that the Constitution or the Bill of rights mentioned God or the "Creator". What I did say, and will quote exactly, is this... "The word God or "Creator" has been a part of America since its inception. It is written in literally thousands of official documents describing laws across the land." If you would like to challenge that statement, I am willing to begin with the Declaration of Independence, where the words are written. "Endowed by their Creator" (with an upper C) There was no debate over the use of that phrase on July 4, 1776. I suppose today we could not accept such a document because anti-religios fear mongering people would bemoan it as being an endorsement of religion by the government? In 1787, the year the Constitution was officially approved by Congress, the Northwest Ordinance was approved by the same body. Article 3 of that ordinance states" "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged". And if you are want to discuss one supreme court Justices opinion, let's read a quote from the first Chief Justice John Jay. "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers" Not that I agree with him, but the point is exacting. Ben Franklin, not particularly regarded as one of the more religious founding fathers described religion with this quote. "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. that the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion" Need I go on, because since our last discussion of this issue I've collected quite a few of these gems to enlighten you and the thread with. Unfortunately, my time is severely limited lately. And tonight Parent/Teacher conference calls. Then it's swim, gymnastics, soccer, PTA, cub-night, and on an on and on.... Michael