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To: Neocon who wrote (6)	10/15/1999 7:33:00 PM
From: sandintoes	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 3246

Thought that we should bring up the original list for people to review. Remember, this was done in two days, so be kind. The Most Influential People Of The Twentieth Century*(compiled semi- seriously by sandintoes on the Bush thread) #1 Reagan #2 Thatcher #3 Churchill #4 Mother Theresa #5 FDR #6 De Gaulle #7 Pope John Paul II #8 Billy Graham #9 Salk #10 Sabin #11 Gandhi #12 Martin Luther King #13 Kissinger #14 Henry Ford #15 Bill Gates #16 Edison #17 Einstein #18 Wright Bros. #19 Rockefeller #20 Carnegie #21 Golda Meir #22 Watson & Crick [considered one] #23 Von Braun #24 Lindberg #25 Neil Armstrong #26 Marconi #27 Goddard #28 Nixon #29 Eisenhower #30 Patton #32 Montgomery #33 Nimitz #34 Marshall #35 Powell #36 Truman #37 Frank Lloyd Wright #38 Pablo Picasso #39 Matisse #40 Duke Ellington #41 George Gershwin #42 Louis Armstrong #43 Elvis #44 The Beatles {considered one} #45 Frank Sinatra #46 Nureyev #47 Disney #48 Steinbeck #49 Frost #50 Hemmingway #51 F. Scott Fitzgerald #52 T.S. Elliot #53 Andy Warhol #54 Ethel Merman #55 Julie Andrews #56 Tom Hanks #57 Fairbanks #58 Bob Hope #59 Jackie Robinson #60 Babe Ruth #61 Ted Williams #62 Arnold Palmer #63 Ben Hogan #64 Dylan {that's for you Neo, I disagree though} #65 Charles Chaplin #66 Ingmar Bergman #67 Alfred Hitchkok #68 Jean Renoir #69 Fritz Lang #70 Orson Welles #71 John Huston #72 John Ford #73 Francois Truffaut #74 Federico Fellini #75 Akira Kurosawa #76 Walter Cronkite #77 G. W. Bush Sr. #78 Teddy Roosevelt #79 Sigmund Freud #80 Martha Graham #81 Carl Jung #82 DeMille #83 Baryshnikov #84 Jackie Gleason #85 Sid Caesar #86 Imogene Coca #87 Ernie Kovac #88 Steve Allen #89 Johnny Carson #90 Michael Jordan #91 Neils Bohr #92 Oppenheimer #93 John Von Neuman #94 Enrico Ferni #95 Helen Keller #96 Georgia O'Keeffe #97 Edward R. Murrow #98 Salvador Dali #99 Robert Mundell #100 THE THREE STOOGES

To: Neocon who wrote (6)	10/18/1999 4:26:00 PM
From: w molloy	Read Replies (8) \| Respond to of 3246

Everyone has been talking about who ahould be on the list, so I had a quick look at who should be taken off At first glance, around 40 names are questionable, mainly on the grounds that they are only significant to Americans, not the world at large #13 Kissinger Nixon advisor - what has he done since? #15 Bill Gates He is the worlds richest man - so what? #16 Edison 19th century #19 Rockefeller ditto #20 Carnegie ditto #21 Golda Meir First female national leader, but Ben Gurion was more important to the foundation of the modern Israeli state #23 Von Braun The Russions got the cream of the German Rocket Scientists. #25 Neil Armstrong Landing on the moon was a feat comparable to crossing the atlantic (at the time it happened), but is Armstrong comparable to Lindberg. I don't think so #28 Nixon I think history will put Nixon in his proper context. #30 Patton The generals listed here were all bit players. Eisenhower (and perhaps McArthur) should be left in #32 Montgomery #33 Nimitz #34 Marshall #35 Powell #36 Truman FDR legacy successor #37 Frank Lloyd Wright delete for Gropius, Le Corbusier, Meis Van Der Rohe and Buckminster Fuller #41 George Gershwin #42 Louis Armstrong #45 Frank Sinatra #46 Nureyev If he is left in, you should include Olga Korbut! #49 Frost #50 Hemmingway #51 F. Scott Fitzgerald #54 Ethel Merman Come on..... #55 Julie Andrews ditto #56 Tom Hanks ditto #57 Fairbanks ditto #58 Bob Hope ditto #60 Babe Ruth How was the big fat one influential? #61 Ted Williams Only known in America #63 Ben Hogan #64 Dylan {that's for you Neo, I disagree though} I don't know of any film director who is as influential as some the names already promoted on the thread #66 Ingmar Bergman #67 Alfred Hitchkok #68 Jean Renoir #69 Fritz Lang #70 Orson Welles #71 John Huston #72 John Ford #73 Francois Truffaut #74 Federico Fellini #75 Akira Kurosawa #76 Walter Cronkite Only known in America #77 G. W. Bush Sr. Inheritor of the Reagan legacy #78 Teddy Roosevelt #82 DeMille #83 Baryshnikov #84 Jackie Gleason #85 Sid Caesar #86 Imogene Coca #87 Ernie Kovac #88 Steve Allen #89 Johnny Carson #96 Georgia O'Keeffe Again - minimal influence outside of America #97 Edward R. Murrow ditto #98 Salvador Dali #99 Robert Mundell #100 THE THREE STOOGES

To: Neocon who wrote (6)	10/19/1999 12:10:00 AM
From: Jeffrey L. Henken	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Steve Martin should be included on this list. Why? It's simple. We all need a sense of humor. Remember the first time you saw Steve Martin's comedy? Didn't you think... "What a jerk???" He is making a fool out of himself and acting like everyone else is has a problem!!! We need to laugh..... At ourselves, with each other, and sometimes even at others expenses, but never maliciously. Our sense of humor is greatly affected by those comedic geniuses which surround us and entertain us so well. So if you do not feel Steve Martin ranks right up there on the list of influential people of the 20th Century... Let me just say.... *WELL.... EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!*