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To: Dan3 who wrote (90473)	10/17/1999 2:31:00 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Dan, you're really stretching here. All you proved is that MSI wasn't very diligent in updating their web site with their Athlon-related products. Using that fact as a basis for your conspiracy theory is a non sequitor. Tenchusatsu

To: Dan3 who wrote (90473)	10/17/1999 12:15:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 186894

Danny3times - Re: " That's another Alibi Lie...Go to MSI's site, it's at:" You are SO IN DENIAL and GRASPING at straws, spewing innuendo, assuming facts not in EVIDENCE. READ what AMD - YOUR STINKING PRECIOUS LOVER AMD - had to say about Intel and MOTHERBOARDS - from an AMD LOVER'S SOURCE - the YUKKIE REGISTER: {=============================} theregister.co.uk Posted 11/10/99 10:21am by Mike Magee AMD, Intel deny mobo muscle allegations Allegations that Intel has used its muscle in the market to deter Taiwanese manufacturers from producing motherboards for AMD microprocessors were denied by both companies today. On the contrary, AMD has said that it is very pleased with the response of the Taiwanese mobo makers, with more partners coming on board quicker than it expected. The allegations re-surfaced on USENET towards the end of last week, with correspondents suggesting that companies including Gigabyte and GVC were not putting their shoulder into marketing AMD-ready motherboards. Back in August, Tom's Hardware Page had alleged undue pressure on the manufacturers, which Intel refuted at the time. An Intel representative repeated his company's stance this morning, saying that nothing had changed since then. Intel maintained an ethical stance in the marketplace. Rana Mainee, AMD's European research director, said: "We do not know of any outright pressure." Market perception as AMD rolled out its Athlon K7 products may have been that there was not enough motherboard support, but, Mainee said, his company was pleased with the way things were going. He said that all of AMD's original motherboard partners, including Gigabyte, had performed well, while newer partners, such as GVC had moved faster than expected to support the Athlon. Two or three other new partners had also exceeded AMD's expectations, he added. "On the whole, we've cleared this hurdle from a market perception point of view," he said. The motherboard manufacturers, he said, had a lot on their plate because of delays to Intel's i820 chipset. But they had also overcome these problems, he added. "The 820 has caused some motherboard people a fair amount of additional workload," he said. "Since launch, I've been very happy with support from all of our motherboard manufacturers," he added. However, although that may be the position, it has not placated a number of people in different geographies. Over at this site, a petition has been organised attempting to persuade mobo makers to more actively support AMD's Athlon processor. ® See also: i820 derailed as Intel goes Rambust

To: Dan3 who wrote (90473)	10/17/1999 12:19:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: ". I think MSI got a tongue lashing from Intel that was so frightening that they don't dare to return any of the info that they pulled from their site. " I think you have a mental disease. EP

To: Dan3 who wrote (90473)	10/17/1999 12:43:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

DannyDisease - Re: "The problem here for Intel is that if AMD can maintain rough parity in chip performance, the OEMs will flock to AMD to get out from under Intel's thumb. " Well, the OEM's left AMD with 150,000 UNSOLD AthWIPES last quarter !!! Since the BIGGIES - IBM & Compaq - have been reported as making their OWN MotherBoards for the AthWIPE - all your CONSPIRACY GARBAGE_MANIA flies out the window !!!! IBM & Compaq simply COULDN'T SELL enough of the AthWIPES, leaving the AMDroid Losers searching for YET ANOTHER ALIBI to explain away AMD's MASSIVE $106,000,000 QUARTERLY LOSS in the face of Intel's $1,900,000,000 Quarterly Profits !!! And in a week, the Coppermine will be launched, taking away the AthWIPES UNCHALLENGED MARKET position for the first time since the THREE AThWIPE LAunches - June, July and August !!!! Better be prepared to dig up SOME NEW ALIBI's - AlibiDan ! Paul