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To: DRBES who wrote (75720)	10/17/1999 12:11:00 PM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572373

DARBES, But IBM has the ATHLON and dibbs on the 0.18 ATHLON with "real" copper interconnects while delL will have cuoNTIME when it comes out. I have seen Process Boy's posts, as recently as last night, and many other times from Intel people that their considered opinion was that copper was not necessary for top performance at 0.18. They announced quite a while ago that copper would come in first at 0.13, when it does make a difference: The benefits of Cu at .18 have been over hyped, IMHO. Al plainly still works at .18... Why do you deny the wisdom of Intel's opinion in areas (process and manufacturing engineering) where they clearly have been superior to AMD forever? Da Nile? Tony

To: DRBES who wrote (75720)	10/17/1999 12:14:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572373

Re: "It has been frantically rushed to market to help put out the "ATHLON FIRE" DARBES, I thought it was delayed from it's original August/September scheduled release? Which one is it? Delayed or frantically rushed to market? EP

To: DRBES who wrote (75720)	10/17/1999 4:49:00 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572373

Darbes, Delayed?...it was delayed....ready now?...was the delay prematurely truncated to get it to market ASAP?....wait for the bug reports. Re Tony's comment. As far as I know you reach the max speed at a higher speed with copper interconnects, at .18 or .13. So a copper .18 will be faster than an Al one, same for .13, so when a die tops out in Al you can extend it to a higher frequency with Cu. How far? some say 20-25%, some say less. From what I can read the coppermine will indeed be faster and better than the P-III, and can be considered as the last gasp of an extended P-III. The Athlon entered the ring faster than any Intel chip as well as being totally a new design and with ongoing developments has greater potential than the copperminus. Bill