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To: THE WATSONYOUTH who wrote (76604)	10/23/1999 11:44:00 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574261

Would you be surprised if the higher speed CUmines required a voltage bump? Maybe to mask it they run them all higher? Jim

To: THE WATSONYOUTH who wrote (76604)	10/23/1999 2:34:00 PM
From: Kevin K. Spurway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574261

Re: "It appears that Intel will release Coppermine at 1.6V (not 1.5V) for 20A gate oxide." Amusing to see Intel resorting to JACKING THE VOLTAGE again in order to stay competitive. Kevin

To: THE WATSONYOUTH who wrote (76604)	10/23/1999 11:51:00 PM
From: Charles R	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574261

TWY, <So, 900MHz looks very probable.> My sources concur with you on this one. Design (not process) contacts within Intel tell me that CuMine will probably peak somewhere in the 900MHz range on 0.18 - 1GHz is seen as unlikely. I believe the solution is CuMine+, a core further optimized for speed, probably getting another 100 MHz or so. For the people who have been watching this MHz war, it should be very clear that a lot of interesting solutions have been used by both Intel and AMD to stretch this war to the limits. We have already seen things such as voltage increases, hybrid processes, tightened speed paths and I am sure we will see a few more. So, it is definitely hard to estimate how far these things are going to be pushed. Whatever the push, it seems that for most people it is abundantly clear that Athlon has a very compelling advantage and it will take a pretty major mess-up from AMD to lose this battle - this hasn't happened so far. Chuck

To: THE WATSONYOUTH who wrote (76604)	10/25/1999 1:25:00 AM
From: Process Boy	Respond to of 1574261

TWY - <So, a device design optimization which increases drive current 5% at the same channel length will increase Fmax by about 5% as well. This level of optimization is entirely possible. So, 900MHz looks very probable.> ll you say is pretty much true. However, you are basing the speculative top for the part in question on just one mechanism's ability to scale. Are there other mechanisms that you can think of that would also equate to raw clock improvement? PB