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To: Justa Werkenstiff who wrote (9510)10/28/1999 6:14:00 AM
From: Justa Werkenstiff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15132
 
Another case of investor exhaustion:



To: kemble s. matter (145912 )
From: Jean M. Gauthier
Wednesday, Oct 27 1999 2:13PM ET
Reply # of 145962

Hi people,

ENTERTAINING RANT ALERT....<g>

Think about how many people are able to add INTC and MSFT today, as only
yesterday it was announced they will be part of the Dow Jones.

I know only 386 Million $ is in Dow index funds, but I wonder how many are in things
like DIA.

Needless to say, the cripples "IBM, CPQ & HP" have been able to crush INTC,
MSFT and DELL very well this autumn , and in some cases , (Dell) all year....

CPQ has been bushwacking Dell all year with all kinds of comments, with dell "only"
growing business at 40-50% YOY.

I have to admit, INTC is a very hard stock to own, incredibly volatile for such a large
corporation. How else can you explain a range of what, $ 64 - 89 $ in weeks ?

MSFT has been going all out, yet has been stagnant since JANUARY, with records
sales & profits results.

Dell has been crushed in the 30's, from a high of $ 55 in January, based on free PC's,
"only" 40%+ growth, and the "pc-is-a-dying business" crowd.

I dislike the rah-rah maniacs (sorry for the insult), spoiled investors that are pushing
things like JDSU and the Juniper/Sycamore crowd to unimaginable heights, on flimsy
sales and massive losses (except JDSU, just wildly overpriced, but very badly run
inside, from friend I know who work there).

But INTC and MSFT & DELL are NOT rewarded for stellar financials, stellar
investments and other business initiatives (INTC/MSFT superb Investment pool, and
INTC Online services -very , very slick BTW), and incredible market domination. Dell's
inventory is a MINUS -7 Days, it's has no debt,tons of cash, is killing it's competition
(The 3 "cripples") and has finally hit 18% of the US market, overtaking ComPaq. Do
ANY of them get any respect.
Nope....

1- earlier this Year, it was cyclicals

2- Middle Year, it was interest rates. Can someone tell me WHY interest rates hurt the
NasDaq, and especially MSFT, INTC and DELL, when they HAVE NO DEBT TO
SPEAK OF, and they are SITTING ON MOUND OF CASH !!!!????!!!!!

3- Still interest rates, and now, the real bugaboo, Y2K !!!!!! Every shitty company,
from IBM, CPQ and HP are blaming it, and the street lets them off the hook for it, not
blaming it on EXECUTION.

When EMC, SUNW, CSCO, LU, NT, DELL, INTC and MSFT, all companies that
beat or came very close to expectations (or bet them handily) say that Y2K is not a
problem, and that their forward guidance is POSITIVE (very Positive in the case of
MSFT/EMC), why are these crap companies (CPQ, IBM & HP and others) able to
get the market to tank ??

I am so frustrated and tired of this.

I guess that is why the average fund manager is not even capable of beating the indexes.

Rant over, let me know what you think people.

Take care
Jean

P.S. I know Greenspan has been taking hits lately, and in some cases I would like him
to shutup too. But he is NOT in the manipulators camp, he is pretty good and
open-minded about the new economy. We are ALL frustrated investors lately, but
Greenspan is NOT the problem. JMHO





To: Justa Werkenstiff who wrote (9510)10/28/1999 9:31:00 AM
From: Investor2  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 15132
 
Re: "'We attribute this to corporate reluctance to move to the new version just before Y2K,' he said."

It makes sense to me. If, however, there is a corporate reluctance to purchase new software prior to the century date change, doesn't that mean that the floodgates on sales will be opened in early 2000?

Best wishes,

I2



To: Justa Werkenstiff who wrote (9510)10/28/1999 9:52:00 AM
From: Ian@SI  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15132
 
Fleckenstein has been short and wrong throughout the greatest bull market seen this century.

Ooops Correction: He's been long gold. but also wrong. :-)

And its rumoured that he has some money from Bill Gates. And it's known that some money manager put Bill Gates into CHAR which recently suffered the ignominy of a 1:60 reverse split. CHAR, a company with no liquid assets (except the nearly unrecoverable ones buried deep in the ground with no means of transporting them to market even if they could get them out of the ground.)

Is this the type of wisdom and judgment that readers of this thread should revere? I think not.

And re PCs. The direct model has been kicking butt for 1/2 a decade or more. GTW and DELL continue to steal share from those that haven't mastered this business strategy: IBM, CPQ, HWP. It's not surprising to anyone with even a minimal understanding of the industry that the retailers for the nondirect OEMs are suffering as well.

But then expecting Fleckenstein to have even a minimal understanding of anything is unduly optimistic. I'm not sure that he's demonstrated sufficient intelligence to come in from the rain.

FWIW,
Ian.