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To: Voltaire who wrote (46752)10/31/1999 10:22:00 PM
From: Thomas Tam  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
Voltaire, have just tuned into this debate. My question is how much will the cost of using margin erode into the potential gains you have outlined.

If you sell your stock (small amount) to cover/buy back the calls that have appreciated, then the value of your portfolio diminishes somewhat from having fewer shares at a higher price. Yes, I agree with you that the portfolio goes up because the difference between the loss of buying back calls versus the appreciation of your remaining shares favors the long common. In the end, are you making much more than the premium that you sell the calls/leaps for minus the interest costs of buying any additional shares on margin?

Look forward to your reply.

Later



To: Voltaire who wrote (46752)10/31/1999 11:05:00 PM
From: MileHigh  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 152472
 
V,

Unless I misunderstand, you are losing credibility when you say "everything is cool" when a stock skyrockets while one is covered. This is wrong.

Specific example: (because I am thinking of doing it)

1. I sell the Nov230's for 10.50
2. The stock rockets to 250 after earnings due to great news, etc..
3. My calls are now under water to the tune of around 9.50 (give or take some time premium and volatility premium)
4. Therefore, I can buy the calls back at around 20 or so. thus losing 9.50 on my covered call strategy
5. Sure, my common went up but I lost 9.50 on the shorted calls
6. Is this good when I could have just held the common w/o selling the calls?!

The point a few are trying to make is that a covered call position can negate your returns on a runaway stock. AGREED?!

I do agree, this is pretty basic and not too much to understand or argue about.

Boo!

MileHigh