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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (29600)11/7/1999 8:49:00 AM
From: LABMAN  Respond to of 50167
 





Microsoft earnings safe,
analysts predict

Antitrust decision was no surprise,
shouldn't scare investors

11/06/99

By David Ward / Bloomberg News

SAN FRANCISCO - Some investors say the ruling
Friday by the judge in the antitrust trial against
Microsoft Corp. is unlikely to harm the company's
business or earnings and shouldn't result in an
extended drop in its share price.

U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson, in his
first ruling since the trial concluded, said that
Microsoft, the world's largest software maker, has a
monopoly for personal computer operating systems
and used that power to preserve its market
domination and hobble innovation, harming
customers.

The judge's decision Friday won't be his last one in
the case. A final ruling on whether Microsoft has
violated the Sherman Antitrust Act will come months
later if the company and the government don't first
reach a settlement, and even that decision is likely to
be followed by years of appeals.

In the meantime, analysts say, the trial won't affect
the company's business and shouldn't spook
investors.

"This ruling is pretty much what was expected for
quite some time," said Bill Whitlow, money manager
at Safeco Asset Management Co., which owns
54,500 Microsoft shares.

"The consensus has been for quite some time that the
judge would come out with this findings of fact, so I
wouldn't expect a dramatic impact on the stock," Mr.
Whitlow said. "It might be down a little bit now that
the cat is out of the bag."

Microsoft shares traded as low as $86 on the Island
ECN, an after-hours trading network. In regular
trading, which ended at 3 p.m. Dallas time, before
the ruling was released, Microsoft shares fell 19
cents to $91.56. Microsoft stock is up 32 percent
this year and has risen 72 percent in the last 12
months.

"The fundamentals of this company, they're awfully
strong, and that tends to make the stock more
valuable," Michael Kwatinetz, an analyst at Credit
Suisse First Boston Inc. who has a "strong buy"
rating on Microsoft, said before the ruling was
released. "This is an event that may cause the stock
to ratchet down in one day, but then that will reverse
itself."

The case brought by the U.S. Department of Justice
and 19 states isn't free of threats to Microsoft. To the
contrary, antitrust enforcers are considering a series
of remedies if the judge rules against the company.

The government accused Microsoft of illegally
maintaining its operating system dominance and trying
to monopolize the market for Internet browsers by
"tying," or packaging its browser with its operating
system and signing exclusivity agreements with
computer makers that precluded them from loading
Netscape Communications Corp.'s competing
browser on new computers.

If the judge finds against the company in his final
ruling next year, penalties could include forcing the
company to license its Windows operating system to
competitors or changing the way it does business
with computer makers that buy its products.
Windows provides more than 40 percent of
Microsoft's annual revenue.

Investors are confident that any harm to Microsoft, if
it comes, is still years away.

Microsoft executives say they won't settle the case
on terms that harm the company, and an appeals
process could drag on for years before being
decided.

"Today's ruling by the court is part of a long
process," Microsoft chairman Bill Gates said in a
videotaped statement released after the ruling was
made. "In the end we're quite confident that our
integrity. and the benefits we provide to consumers,
will be upheld."

Mr. Gates wouldn't speculate on the impact the ruling
would have on Microsoft's stock.

"Microsoft is not a prognosticator on the stock
market, not up, not down, not sideways," he said.
"I'm not going to speculate on the market one way or
another."

Because Judge Jackson issued his findings of fact
after U.S. stock markets closed, investors were
given several days to examine the ruling before broad
trading in the stock resumes on U.S. markets.

The ruling could spark an initial sell-off in the stock,
analysts say. That reaction should be short-lived,
however.

"If your investment time horizon is short, negative
information, even if anticipated by the street, could
knock the stock down a bit, and you should consider
that," said Andrew Brosseau, an analyst at SG
Cowen Securities Corp. with a "strong buy" rating on
Microsoft. "If your time horizon is longer, I think you
sit tight, and if the stock gets hit, you take advantage
of it."

Investors have largely ignored the potential threats
from the case since it was filed May 18, 1998, and
Microsoft continued to post rising earnings
throughout the trial.

Microsoft executives say they expect the coming
year to be even better than past years. Microsoft
chief financial officer Greg Maffei last month urged
analysts to raise their earnings estimates for this
coming quarter.

The company also will unveil its long-awaited
Windows 2000 operating systems for businesses and
corporations in February, and those products are
expected to generate new revenue for the company
by next summer.

Even investors who believe that Microsoft is unlikely
to continue its past earnings performance and plan to
sell the stock say the antitrust case didn't play into
their investment decisions.

"What bothers me about Microsoft is it's a
multibillion [dollar] company, and you wonder how
they can continue to grow like they have," said Tom
Barry, chief investment officer at Bjurman &
Associates, a Los Angeles-based money
management firm. "But the whole situation with the
court case, it has little to do with it."

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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (29600)11/7/1999 2:07:00 PM
From: James C. Mc Gowan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Good Morning IKE: reading over your thoughts on MSFT, and the articles you posted, I noted the comments regarding the relative decline in importance of the operating system and PC, and the ascendence of internet, and the various forms of access to the net, including wireless.

While I certainly see no slowdown for the elements that make up MSFT,
Internet access will not depend upon any particular operating system, as I understand it, and mobility of access will, I believe, be at a premium.

I have been watching the growth of interest in wireless data/internet industries/technologies closely, and I would appreciate greatly your thoughts regarding the potential for such firms as Qualcomm and Arm Holdings, Ltd., among others, who stand to benefit from the growth in this arena. I know you have long been strong on TXN and their move to leadership in DSP's for telecom.

Monday, QCOM unveils their High Data Rate technology, which will allow up to 2Mbps, or 25X the 56K modem rate, to laptops, cellphones, PDA's and to homes, wirelessly. The technology allows cellphone service providers an inexpensive add-on to allow them to provide this level of data access through their existing wireless network.

Could the recent explosion in interest in this area represent an important investment vehicle, placing QCOM in the path of hyper-growth
presented to investors by CSCO, MSFT, INTC in the past?

Hope all is well with you and yours,
Regards,
James




To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (29600)11/7/1999 8:58:00 PM
From: LABMAN  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
November 7, 5:27 pm Eastern Time

Microsoft seen dropping as antitrust
cloud darkens

By Martin Wolk

SEATTLE, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp.
(NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) stock could be depressed for
months in wake of a federal judge's preliminary ruling that
makes it virtually certain the software giant will face sanctions
for stifling competition, analysts said on Sunday.

A court-ordered breakup of the world's biggest computer software company, while still seen as
highly unlikely, became more conceivable after U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson's
207-page opinion was issued Friday and backed government antitrust regulators on nearly every
point.

Microsoft stock fell in off-market trading after the judge's decision and analysts said they expected
it to drop 5 to 10 percent Monday when Nasdaq activity resumes. Bill Epifanio of J.P. Morgan
calculated Microsoft already has underperformed the rest of the Nasdaq 100 by about 9 percent
in the past month as investors have braced for the ruling.

Some analysts said the ruling could boost stock of Microsoft rivals like America Online Inc
(NYSE:AOL - news). and Oracle Corp (NasdaqNM:ORCL - news).

Even short of a breakup, state and federal antitrust regulators will be emboldened to seek
fundamental changes in the way Microsoft does business, making a settlement improbable and
setting the stage for an appeals process that could last for years, analysts said.

CLOUD OF UNCERTAINTY OVER MICROSOFT

Rick Sherlund, an analyst for Goldman Sachs, said the ruling was an ''ominous'' turn of events that
will darken the cloud of uncertainty over the company, leading to renewed speculation about its
fate at least until Jackson's final decision and order, expected in February or March.

''It was very clearly a rout against Microsoft,'' he said. ''His language was harsh, and his
conclusions were one-sided.''

While Jackson had been expected to side with the government in the crucial ''findings of fact,''
which lays the groundwork for the final ruling and possible sanctions, Sherlund and others said the
document was even more critical of Microsoft's business practices than had been expected.

''The tone of these findings was far more negative than I ever expected,'' J.P. Morgan's Epifanio.

Microsoft lawyers will continue to argue in court that the company has not violated antitrust laws,
seizing on the few paragraphs of Jackson's opinion that supported its defense, including a finding
that its investments speeded development of the Internet and made Web-browsing easier for
consumers.

But investors now can safely assume the final decision in the case will back the government, adding
at least a long-term element of risk in the stock.

Investors who can tolerate that risk might elect to buy Microsoft when the stock dips, reasoning
that any court-imposed remedy, no matter how harmful to the company's competitive position, will
be postponed until after all appeals are exhausted, which easily could be 2001.

''This is truly the early innings of a long ballgame,'' Epifanio said.

'ODDS OF SETTLEMENT GO DOWN'

Bill Whitlow, a Safeco Corp. mutual fund manager, said Jackson's ruling does little to change the
prospects of a company that has been under a regulatory microscope for years.

''The one thing that does change is that the odds of a settlement in the case go down,'' he said.

He argued that even if Microsoft is broken up, as some of its rivals have proposed, overall
shareholder value would rise.

Epifanio disagreed, saying the most widely discussed breakup scenario, splitting Microsoft into
three companies for operating systems, applications and Internet operations, would eliminate
technical synergies and cross-platform bundling that have helped propel its bottom-line growth.

A more radical proposal to split the company into three or four identical ''baby Bills'' would be
''disaster -- purely disaster,'' Epifanio said.

''Nobody even knows if four Microsofts could survive,'' he said.

That leaves the more likely possibility that a court will impose remedies changing the way
Microsoft behaves toward computer makers and other software companies. But in the rapidly
evolving computer industry it becomes nearly impossible to calculate how such changes will affect
Microsoft after a lengthy appeals process.

''Once they've exhausted the appeals process the industry is going to look a lot different than it
does now and certainly different than it did when Microsoft committed these acts,'' Whitlow said.




To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (29600)11/7/1999 9:44:00 PM
From: Hans  Respond to of 50167
 
Hi uncle ike,

I stopped by to get your take on MSFT. I tend to agree that the world will not end.

A friend called me Saturday and asked if it was too late to buy puts. How would I know? My plan has been to wait for support at 70 and then go long. MSFT has a long history of upward movement.

-hans



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (29600)11/8/1999 10:09:00 AM
From: ynot  Respond to of 50167
 
re MFST breakup
i will buy the piece with the wireless GUI
regards,
ynot :)



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (29600)11/8/1999 6:38:00 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 50167
 
Does this sound familiar... backtesting of my first reaction on MSFT.. was my read on the dot..

<<Michael Kwatinetz, an analyst with Credit Suisse First Boston wrote in a note to clients that Microsoft stock had much of the negative impact of a court decision already factored in to its stock price, and he advocated buying the stock.

``At some time (Monday), the risk associated with the case is likely to be maximally reflected in the stock. Subsequently, the stock could trade with fundamentals,' he said.>>


Message #29600 from IQBAL LATIF at Nov 7 1999 6:25AM
I have few observations on Microsoft. I would think 87ish is a support if it breaks that on two closing basis we go to 83 and 80, the ultimate low would be 70 if uncertainty continues, my outlook extends into next quarter and not immediate like IBM it will break supports slow and steady.

Like always as the tradition of this thread has been, I don't forecast the death of markets.

I am not a prisoner of my beliefs, I look amidst ultimate possible disasters the ray of 'reason and balance' without my emotions, without my feelings. I have never ever highlighted and talked in terms of thousands of points rather I talk SPZ and hence talk in terms of 10 points up or 15 down..................

............This weekend new mantras are being devised, naturally why not after all MSFT is about to be written off by these very guys who wrote the markets off since last four years. A maniac is an unbalanced spoiler, he never learns, and when he gets some corroborated evidence that by any chance helps his cause he makes bloody sure to spoil the party of those who are enjoying over weekend being a part of this great bull market. A judgement on Friday night on the largest company in US, naturally is not something to be missed. The natural inkling is to forget objectivity and stitch new damning forecasts. The spin masters work overtime and have now predicted that the fall from grace is imminent, if inflation fears could not do it for them MSFT fall from grace as it is the leading weightage in Comp will ignite that panic selling leading to total chaos and confusion.

Like we play these extreme downturns in case of SPZ only with a level headed approach. MSFT has to be handled with care with a stepped down approach. Since, extremist attitudes are possible within a market we need to see that direction is shown to us by SPZ and NDX, I see some opportunity in short term for MSFT on the weak side and that is how I am going to play it.

Market hates uncertainty and MSFT case provides it nice and big so the stock will be under pressure, the shorts will take a shot but will it work on over all market. On that jury will be out! I think it will depend on impact of breakage on the overall economy. So far that impact is not very clear undoubtedly MSFT has a great weighting in Comp however, breaking of monopolies in the past have not diminished the valuations of companies. The sum total of AT&T parts today is far bigger than the what the mother unbroken company would be today look at LU if I am right it was a spin off from not even the original AT&T but rather a spin off from a part of it... MSFT guys are working on it they already have compartmentalized the company in to four divisions and are preparing for the worst probably so MSFT in parts will be worth how much is the key question. If it is higher the market will not suffer but if it is lower we may see some serious adjustments.

My inkling is that parts of MSFT will be bigger than original company and will turn out to be more productive, a settlement may lead to spinning out of some units. We need to be careful not to be inundated with thoughts of negativity the uncertainty surrounding MSFT and MO are two different animals, one faces a future like ICI and Zeneca ( the two daughter companies capital after spin off was twice of the one before within a year) other is hit by so far unquantifiable damages.

MSFT business may be broken but its ability to make money will exist, I would rather buy some long puts than short this stock as I know that after initial jitters as people dump it values would be created. I will try to get out of positions at the at most opportune time and that would be between 70 to eighty.

Now, I am looking at this stock performance, really since it first touched 88 in Feb 99 the stock has not done much, this 'monopoly' problem has been weighing on it, finance.yahoo.com now look at SUNW finance.yahoo.com that stock has doubled from that Feb 99 date, for me the dancing bears on the tails will soon see some disappointment as they would discover that a smaller MSFT neither would make Gates poor nor will make MSFT operating system sent packing to dustbin of history. The premium attached to MSFT is not the monopoly premium rather it is the ability of the company to ?create wealth?. One can ask why GE is trading at such a dear multiple? I have repeatedly argued that this is ?winner takes it all phenomenon? and those who have a lock on markets have a better prospect going forward. Whatever one may say even the fiercest critics of MSFT would agree that revenue growth and bottom line growth is not going to suffer in foreseeable future. UNIX or Java are not going to become the operating system replacing Windows, it may be that other fledgling companies like Novel Orcl SAP may rather thrive, so market may not be impacted that much overall. MSFT loss may be other minors gain, the secondary companies may thrive well as competition opens up. .

P.S. added on 8/09/99
The above is good example of how we treat the news here, how we analyse them and how we deduct results from panic. Holding hands and giving that support so as not to ignite panic is the objective that is the reason we do so well..