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To: Z Analyzer who wrote (7323)11/10/1999 11:06:00 AM
From: Hungry Investor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9256
 
Z-

<<So many of the in favor stocks have valuations I can't begin to understand or justify. And we wouldn't want to be the last ones to the party.>>

That's just it isn't it... the "in-favor" stocks achieve valuations that we cannot understand just as the "out-of-favor" stocks (read drive makers) have valuations that we cannot understand. I agree that many of the fibre channel stocks are overvalued - find new ones coming to market that will be the next market darling - difficult as always, but the reward for making a correct guess is great (and the downside for being wrong is not as great). Vixel on the downside is a good example. People had plenty of time to get out of this "me too" stock that is not performing well. We all like businesses that we can get our arms around and feel good about, or that we know intimately. The market, however, as we all know does not necessarily reward these companies. There are exceptions as always and I don't want to get 45 responses of them. UPS today is a great exception. It will do well and I for one will be buying shares at a reasonable level.

The "fine minds" bit was an attempt at being diplomatic in a forum where I knew that if I proposed a new idea, it would get trashed. No apologies from me for thinking in a different direction. In truth, there are many people on this thread that know a great deal more about these drive stocks and their prospects than I. However, these stocks are and have been out of favor for an extended period of time.

Best regards,

Scott.



To: Z Analyzer who wrote (7323)11/10/1999 12:09:00 PM
From: Stitch  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 9256
 
Hi Guys,
Dropped in to catch up with the posts and was surprised no one had commented on the news from Fujitsu so assume that you have not seen the following: (Discussion?)

<<Gillian Munson (212) 761-6070 gmunson@msdw.com

KEY POINTS:

- We attended a lunch today with Takashi Takaya, Fujitsu?s acting CFO.
Fujitsu (covered by T. Yamamoto, Strong Buy) has a number of technology
business lines. We focused on the company?s disk drive commentary.

- Fujitsu has been one of the fastest growing disk drive companies (in
unit terms) in recent years growing from 3% share in 1995 to 13% share
today. In part, these share gains have been looked at as a cause of
tough industry pricing.

- Per Mr. Takaya, Fujitsu, like other disk drive companies we cover,
continues to experience declining prices in disk drives for desktop PCs.

- Mr. Takaya indicated that if pricing pressures continue, Fujitsu may
reduce or withdraw its desktop disk drive business effort. This is new
news and will be critical to watch. This is also interesting given the
recent departure of Larry Sanders, President and CEO of Fujitsu Computer
Products of America.

- At the same time, Fujitsu made it clear that its notebook and
enterprise disk drive businesses are on track and profitable. As a
result, we doubt the company is thinking of reducing these businesses.

- From a stock perspective the potential departure of Fujitsu could
mean a couple things. If Fujitsu were to close down the desktop disk
drive business, it would be positive for all the disk drive players with
more emphasis on Western Digital (WDC, Neutral) and Quantum HDD (HDD,
Neutral) who both are mostly desktop players. For Seagate (SEG,
Neutral) this would be a positive but not as much of a positive owing to
Seagate?s large enterprise business. If Fujitsu sold the desktop
business (vs. closing it) it would be viewed as a positive because in
disk drives 1 plus 1 is rarely 2, but not as much of a positive as an
all out departure.

DETAILS:

We attended a lunch today with Takashi Takaya, Fujitsu?s acting CFO.

Fujitsu has been on the fastest growing disk drive companies (in unit
terms) in recent years rising from 3% share in 1995 to 13% share today.
Fujitsu was No. 5 in overall disk drive unit shipments worldwide with
13% share in CQ3 and 40% Y/Y unit growth. In disk drives, Fujitsu is
No. 4 on the desktop with 13% unit share (CQ3 numbers), No. 3 in
enterprise with 11% unit share and No. 3 in portable disk drives with
17% unit share.
Mr. Takaya said that Fujitsu may be forced to reduce or exit its desktop
disk drive business due to the continuing aggressive pricing
environment. Fujitsu recently announced new desktop disk drive products
and is monitoring the pricing situation closely (especially from
competitor Seagate). We believe Fujitsu will take some kind of action
by the end of this year.

Mr. Takaya partially blamed deteriorating profitability of HDD sales for
the poor performance in the company?s Information Processing Division.
Fujitsu has lowered its FY1999 operating income forecast for the
Information Processing Division to Y30B, down from the original forecast
of Y100B and down from Y94B in FY 1998. Fujitsu said sales in this
division were also hurt by Y2K-related purchase delays in mainframes.

T. Yamamoto covers Fujitsu and estimates that Fujitsu?s operating profit
for its HDD business will decline to (Y20B) in FY1999 from Y10B in
FY1998. The desktop HDD business is estimated to be approximately
60-70% of Fujitsu?s total HDD units and approximately 50% of the
company?s total HDD revenues.
Although Fujitsu is may exit its desktop disk drive business, its
notebook and enterprise disk drive businesses are on track and
profitable. In fact, Mr. Takaya indicated that if Fujitsu could get
more heads, then the company would be able to sell even more notebook
and enterprise disk drives.
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The information and opinions in this report were prepared by Morgan
Stanley & Co. Incorporated (?Morgan Stanley Dean Witter?). Morgan
Stanley Dean Witter does not undertake to advise you of changes in its
opinion or information.>>



To: Z Analyzer who wrote (7323)11/10/1999 12:16:00 PM
From: Greg Jung  Respond to of 9256
 
Z just remember the mottos
"valuation, SCHMALualion"
also,
"thinking is blinking"

and you might be able to succeed in this market on a daily
basis. For the longer term, however, there are several
PE < 10 stocks that really aren't going to lose money next quarter. Its not about earning money from the business,
the money is in the market so what can the stock earn from
the market. Hence I suppose SFE CMGI are good choices. Close your eyes and buy! AOL to $1000!