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To: Michael L. Voorhees who wrote (22749)	11/10/1999 11:12:00 PM
From: JC Jaros	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 64865

ALL: Can someone tell me what Gates is talking about when he talks about MSFT innovating. Are you sure he wasn't saying "freedom to *imitate"? Maybe it was "intubate". Maybe they meant 'right to be on some kind of corporate resperator'. -JCJ

To: Michael L. Voorhees who wrote (22749)	11/10/1999 11:17:00 PM
From: paul	Respond to of 64865

Just for fun.. go to this URL and type in MSFT and then SUNW - make sure to click on the "Opinions" link. quotes.barchart.com

To: Michael L. Voorhees who wrote (22749)	11/10/1999 11:31:00 PM
From: jim kelley	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

What has SUNW innovated???? JAVA?? Big deal a C++ variant. They did not innovate RISC. They did not inovate UNIX. They did not INNOVATE anything. They did not even innovate a new business model. They just created variations of others work. Get a grip man you are delusional.

To: Michael L. Voorhees who wrote (22749)	11/11/1999 11:06:00 AM
From: Stormweaver	Respond to of 64865

I think the greatest Msft innovation(s) are 1. 'ease of use', 2. affordable rich OS/apps for the masses. You may discount this but it took a lot of $R&D to make Windows and applications as powerful as they are. If you doubt me try finding an alternative OS/app set that provides equal to or better functionality for the same price. This isn't to discount Sun's contribution to technology. They have been die-hard UNIX and as a result have been one of the primary drivers since the SRV3 merge (1987). RPC, NFS, NIS, NIS+, great work in providing better OS libs (threading especially), Java, loadable kernel modules, shared libraries (Rob Gingell)... all of which are mostly standard amongst other UNIX's now. As a result of Sun being the forerunner in UNIX they are taking market share away from competitors (AIX,HP-UX,trueUNIX) and are becoming the choosen UNIX. Both companies have improved computing, albeit in different sectors; servers vs. desktop. Cheers James

To: Michael L. Voorhees who wrote (22749)	11/11/1999 1:28:00 PM
From: Prognosticator	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 64865

Microsoft's ability to innovate isn't negotiable I think what he means is that they can't innovate, and they aren't prepared to change that position versus using Monopolistic practices to dominate their market. Actually, to give credit to Microsoft, they have performed a wonderous transformation in taking DOS to WindowsNT. Unfortunately, they have only gone about half way to where they need to be. If anything, they've been too innovative, and have studiously ignored capable technologies such as X-windows (NT still can't come close to that 15-year old technology interms of network operation), and now Java. They've always placed innovation over simplicity and reliablility too, which is my real problem with their technologies. It's OK Bill. No one wants to stop you innovating, in fact, too much innovation will kill you eventually. All we want you to do is tell Ballmer "Play Fair now, no biting, scratching or kicking". P.