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To: marc ultra who wrote (9849)11/14/1999 12:29:00 AM
From: marc ultra  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 15132
 
semiconductors:somewhat negative article in NYT

nytimes.com



To: marc ultra who wrote (9849)11/14/1999 8:07:00 AM
From: Justa Werkenstiff  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 15132
 
Marc: Re: "Bob seemed to make a big point today that the time to really worry about the Nasdaq will be when it starts showing relative weakness instead of strength."

You mean I should not worry about it if it contnues to go parabolic <g>. I know one thing about parabolic rises. Most of them turn out badly eventually.

But one the subject of relative strength in the NASDAQ and momentum players being in that market, look at the INTC downgrade on Friday. It took 73 points off the NASDAQ in a nanosecond. Sure we recovered, but when does a single downgrade do so much damage in the NASDAQ? It is when momentum players have one foot in the exit door. Something to think about if you are watching your profits run in this sector and thinking how smart you are to be overweight in technology.

Re: " I wonder if that might make a good short trade if that point is able to be identified in its early stages, something you seem pretty good at."

I shorted QQQ in early October and rode it down from $127 - $129 to the low $120s. I did not short it when it surged to new highs above $130 in late October. The freakin' thing scared the crapola out of me on that move from a short perspective and I have let it run without argument. I think the best time to short it may be possibly torward the end of this week. Reasons: (1) Comdex winding down; (2) options expirations; (3) any Fed. rally would be in the market; (4) earnings season would be done and all the good news would be out. But when would one cover from a parabolic rise? I could not tell you at this point. Moreover, there has to be an easier way to earn a buck.



To: marc ultra who wrote (9849)11/15/1999 12:51:00 AM
From: marc ultra  Respond to of 15132
 
b2b: a recent briefing.com

B2B Teaser
26-Oct-99 00:05 ET
[BRIEFING.COM - Gregory A. Jones] We first wrote about the coming business-to-business (B2B) ecommerce
boom back in June. At the time, however, there weren't many ways to play this boom given the lack of publicly
traded B2B companies. That is already changing and will change even more dramatically in early 2000. It is
therefore time to revisit B2B.
The Numbers
Before getting into the types of B2B companies, let's talk about the size of the market. We have three estimates to
offer. Starting at the bottom, IDC estimates B2B ecommerce revenues of $633 bln in 2003. Forrester Research
sees 2003 revenues of $1.3 tln. And finally, Goldman Sachs estimates 2003 revenues of $1.1 tln, but grabs the top
spot by going out an additional year to 2004 with a $1.5 tln estimate.
Two points are important regarding these estimates. First, they represent total B2B ecommerce revenues, not the
revenues which accrue to B2B companies. Those revenues will be a fraction of this total, but a fraction of $1.5 tln
can still produce a very profitable business.
Second, estimate is probably too strong a word. In a market this young, you can only guess at the future. Just as
early business-to-consumer ecommerce estimates proved to be far too low, these B2B guesses might also be well
wide of the mark. Though the miss could be in either direction, we believe that the economics of the Net are so
compelling that more businesses will be driven to ecommerce than current studies suggest.
The Players
There are four types of B2B players, only three of which are pure. There are the infrastructure companies that
make commerce possible. There are horizontal portals that will attempt to create B2B marketplaces across a wide
range of industries. There are vertical portals which focus exclusively on creating a marketplace within one industry.
And there are procurement sites, which offer specific goods or services to all businesses.
Infrastructure
Infrastructure companies are typically not pure plays in the B2B sector. Their business models are very diverse,
and they deserve mention here only because they benefit from B2B ecommerce growth.
They include software providers such as Broadvision (BVSN), Vignette (VIGN), Bluestone Software (BLSW),
Open Market (OMKT), Sterling Commerce (SE), Vitria Technology (VITR), Allaire (ALLR), and Interwoven
(IWOV). Though all of these companies produce software that facilitates ecommerce, they are not exclusively B2B
companies, and we therefore list them in our Internet/Software industry classification.
You can also make a case for many colocation/ASPs to be in the B2B group, including Exodus (EXDS), Level 3
(LVLT), Digital Island (ISLD), and USinternetworking (USIX). And there is even a case for Internet services
companies such as Viant (VIAN), Scient (SCNT), and Proxicom (PXCM). But here again, none of these
companies is a B2B pure play. They nevertheless will benefit from the B2B boom.
Horizontals
This is potentially the most lucrative B2B segment, but also the most difficult in which to succeed. In the B2C
market, Amazon.com (AMZN) has no difficulty being everything to everyone. Amazon can easily convince a
consumer that buying books and MP3 players from the same retailer is not only acceptable, but downright
convenient. But a B2B provider has a much greater challenge in developing a marketplace that is suitable to both
an electric utility and a PC manufacturer.
While the task at hand for horizontals is monumental, so too are the potential rewards. It doesn't take a big slice of
that $1.5 tln in revenue to justify market caps even larger than some of the more gaudy valuations already in the
market.
The players in this market are few when it comes to publicly traded options. Ariba (ARBA) and Commerce One
(CMRC) both qualify even though the bulk of their revenues are currently generated by software licenses. Both
companies are trying to develop B2B marketplaces for their diverse customer base, making them horizontal plays.
Also in this group are VerticalNet (VERT) and PurchasePro.com (PPRO). VERT has been more successful in
drawing traffic to its many industry-specific offerings, but it is largely producing revenues by selling "storefronts"
rather than by creating an online marketplace. PPRO, meanwhile, is trying to create a marketplace, but lacks the
software "hook" and the high-powered partnerships that Ariba and Commerce One enjoy.
Verticals
Where there is an industry, there is a vertical B2B company to fill its need. Only a few are now public, but a year
from now there will be many. The vertical B2B companies are a less risky proposition than the hyper-valued
horizontals, as they are focussed on one industry in which they have excellent knowledge and contacts. But along
with less risk comes less upside -- the market potential for a vertical is more easily defined than is the case with a
horizontal, which is the true lottery play.
Among the leading public verticals are pcOrder.com (PCOR), Chemdex (CMDX), and Healtheon (HLTH).
Among those in the private ranks are Altra Energy, Arbinet, E-steel, Farmbid.com, Floraplex, MetalSite,
PetroChem.net, PlasticsNet.com, and SciQuest. And trust us -- the complete list is much longer.
It should be noted that many verticals will attempt to make the transition to horizontals, by first building their brand
and expertise in one industry and then taking it to a new industry. pcOrder.com is the first example, as it has now
expanded from the PC industry to office supplies. Other verticals will follow, and will ultimately offer a challenge to
the horizontals.
Procurement
Finally, there are what can be called B2B procurement sites. These are sites where businesses can go to purchase
a specific product or service. They are not creating marketplaces, they are simply selling stuff to businesses on the
Net. These include Intraware (ITRA), Stamps.com (STMP), E-stamp (ESTM), HotJobs.com (HOTJ), and
HeadHunter.net (HHNT). As with the verticals, these companies have less risk and less reward. Those with
inventory-based business models have even less to gain, as their margins will be closer to those of a bricks and
mortar B2B company.
Just The Beginning
Look at this piece as the teaser -- an introduction to B2B. There is much more to the overall sector and the
individual companies than we could discuss here. But we have defined the framework of the industry. Next we
need to talk about how you make money in B2B: software licensing, transaction fees, content subscriptions, etc.
Once we have the framework and the business models, we can get to the individual company stories. Stay tuned...
Greg Jones - gjones@briefing.com

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