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To: jlallen who wrote (63100)	11/15/1999 1:59:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Here was the original statement: Lester Thurow was commenting about venture capital in the US, how it works, and as a side point he closed with something like "capital flowed into Apple computer where Apple was able to exploit ideas pioneered by Xerox". Kemp then followed and immediately said "anybody that thinks Apple computer came from Xerox is crazy". http://www2.techstocks.com/stocktalk/readmsg.aspx?msgid=11875037&s=thurow+subject6944 Maybe Kemp doesn't understand the nuances of the phrase "exploit ideas pioneered by Xerox". What it means is that Apple marketed a product where all the research was done at Xerox. You appear to be arguing the same point, that Apple made money off of something Xerox could not... you in effect are agreeing with Thurow I would say. None of this was really key to my original point.. I was saying that a derogatory sound-byte quip directed at someone who is an expert is really bad PR... and when you're so wrong its really, really bad PR. Just loks like Kemp is a bit of a know-it-all... scary...

To: jlallen who wrote (63100)	11/15/1999 2:11:00 PM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 108807

Whoa! First of all, it's not IBM; it's Xerox PARC. Let's not confuse the issue. Secondly, he did more than see: One of the PARC scientists put the Alto through its paces for him in detail and he could see what they had been doing with bit-mapped video displays, mice, and graphical user interfaces. What he described as "his" vision for the Lisa (and the Macintosh) was what he had been shown in detail, minus the networking capabilities. Moreover, he did not get to head the development team for the Lisa; John Couch from Hewlett did. What's getting lost here is that Apple benefited from exploiting an idea invented elsewhere, that before that visit Jobs had not conceived of such a thing and that it turned the future of his own company around and made it the Apple we know today. Kemp's outburst was ignorant of the history and in bad form.