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To: monu who wrote (2016)	11/17/1999 12:11:00 AM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4775

Monu... The discussion about "FREE WILL" is about How men are saved ! You are pointing out that men who are saved still sin so that proves they have free will - That is not what I am talking about at all ! I say men are SONS by God's choice.... They can't be NOT SONS simply because they sin and choose to do evil ! David was a chosen SON even though He committed murder and Adultery.. I do not say men do not FREELY WILL TO SIN ! I do not deny that men have wills at all ! Indeed the unsaved can only will to sin but they do it freely and they love it ! They love that darkness ! Your completely off topic trying to prove that I am teaching that men have NO WILLS I have never tried to teach that nor does the BIBLE teach that men have NO WILL !. The Bible teaches that the man without God has a will that is a slave of SIN !@!!@!@! Taken Captive by the DEVIL by his WILL ! DEAD IN SIN ! DEAD ! MEN FREELY will whatsoever GOD HAS ORDAINED them to DO ! LOOK: Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. Again: Look at this verse It shows God's PLAN and men's So-called freedom ! Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Could Judas have not betrayed Christ ? - No because the scriptures can not be broken and God ordained it should come to pass ! Did he do it freely ? Yes ! Is he guilty .... Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Men FREELY did all the EVIL GOD HAS PLANNED !!! Could they have NOT CRUCIFIED JESUS ??? The had a will .. it was in bondage to the devil... therefore they willfully and freely did the only thing they could do ! They could not do anything else.. Is that your idea of FREE WILL ??? What men must stop teaching is that it is their WILL that makes the difference between being saved and being damned it is not ! God Hardened Pharoah Heart to do EVIL !!! God Strengthen Pharoah to do the EVIL GOD PLANNED.. Look at what Happened to David.. 2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. This verse teaches that God moved ( caused ) David to number the people ..that was forbidden by God already earlier.. If you read this section his friends begged him not to but God had blinded him to their good council. When the deed was done however God lifted that blindness and David fell into repentance Also a vital gift of God ! Look: 10 ô And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly. David confessed the sin... does God have to just forgive everyone and forget it ever happened ??? Look 15 So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. 16 And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite. God punished the PEOPLE for the SIN that DAVID DID that He had to do because GOD MOVED HIM ! It is right there in the Bible Monu.. I am trying to wake up somebody in here is it YOU ??? Are you ready to meet the God in the BIBLE ... It is very hard to let go of the Idol that most men say is the God of the scriptures isn't it.. I sympathize completely I had a real real real hard time with God predestinating some men to HELL a real hard time... but it's there if you look ! Judas never had a chance... Even Jesus said this: Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. And so it is with all men who go to hell.. it would have been better if they were never born but God caused them to be born anyway ! They are vessels of Wrath prepared for Destruction to the Glory of God's Righteous Judgement and HOLY NATURE ! Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?