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To: greenspirit who wrote (63803)	11/21/1999 2:02:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Thanks Michael. Women's magazines remind me a little of the old SNL "ladies room" skit, where all this decadence goes on in the ladies room which is why women constantly go there. Anyway I remember telling a male person about 15 years ago that I learned something of ummm, a romantic nature (ie "read about it") in Cosmopolitan... and he didn't believe me! So this alternate universe exists of uncensored material in women's magazines that men know nothing about.... until now, since the Jewish World Review has uncovered the conspiracy.

To: greenspirit who wrote (63803)	11/21/1999 10:05:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Michael, Since women still are primarily responsible for the household duties, it makes sense that the articles aimed at their fears and insecurities are in the grocery stores. But just to add a LITTLE balance, on my flight home tonight, I was amused by an article in the American Way (an excellent and very high quality mag which frequently however, does seem to target the male business traveler) about men and aging, and the heavy demand for male cosmetics, skin products, and facial treatments. It talked about the boomer men having to look young as they find themselves being ousted from jobs by the more highly trained technical younger generation. My point is that I hate to see you make fun of women on this issue when it's a malaise that affects both sexes. I have no urge to ridicule a man for using Rogaine or a toupée, for working out at the gym, for doing whatever he can to stay competitive. It's not fun-- (and women have endured this for a long time)-- being judged wanting because you are no longer 20. It would be a far more constructive approach for us-- you and I- male and female- to not fall into the habit of compartmentalizing each other and our sex into labelled boxes that don't allow for the recognition that the symptoms may differ, but we have the same pain. Both Glamour and the American Way are dealing with the issues that haunt our dark times will I lose my husband? Will I lose my job? Do I no longer have what it takes? So I disliked that article-- because I think we ALL are reduced to thigh busters and staying HOT HOT HOT even as we ALL work, work, work and pay, pay, pay.

To: greenspirit who wrote (63803)	11/22/1999 1:55:00 PM
From: jbe	Respond to of 108807

Michael, to a certain extent I agree with the author of the article you posted. I don't read "women's" magazines myself, but I do see them in the rack in the check-out line at the store. I have continually been amazed at the titles of the articles: it all sounds like high-class women's porno to me. And I have often wondered: "Who buys these magazines?" That is the key question to ask, it seems to me. And it is one the author does not ask, which is why I discount the generalizations she makes about "women's porno" -- and about "modern women" in general. What kind of jobs -- if any -- do women's magazine buyers hold? What is their average level of education? And so forth. Questions like these might throw a little more light on the issue of who (if anyone) feels "reduced to thigh-twisters.' (And I'll lay you dollars to donuts you will find more stay-at-home wives and "lowly" secretaries than real "career women" among them.)