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To: jbe who wrote (64367)	12/1/1999 12:44:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

There is also the need for forgiveness to allow one to go on with one's own life unhampered by ongoing feelings of hostility, anger, etc. Many of the Eastern religions teach that continuing to hold anger against another person is an impediment to your own spiritual progress.

To: jbe who wrote (64367)	12/1/1999 12:58:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

I get your point. However, it is the pop culture definition of Christian forgiveness. To forgive someone from the heart several tests need to be passed. 1. Is the person remorseful? Do they recognize their misdeed and are they truly sorry for it? 2. Have they made the intention toward correction? Do they want to stop perpetrating this crime? 3. Once one and two are cleared, do they seek forgiveness? I do not personally know anyone who would not fall all over them selves to give someone a second chance who they believe is truly seeking forgiveness. If people are falling back on Christianity to forgive heinous evil deeds in which the perpetrators show no remorse or intent to change and could careless about your forgiveness except as they can use it to further their own evil behavior, then you are simply turning your back on evil. This is what I think motivates the pop culture to fear judgemental thinking. Note: I am not referring to judging soles as in ?judge not lest ye be judged?. I am referring to judging behaviors as bad or good based on what principle they violate.

To: jbe who wrote (64367)	12/1/1999 1:01:00 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

<<The United States has more people in jail, proportionate to the total population, than any other country that keeps crime statistics, except for Russia. Do you really think that is because we have that many more "real" criminals? >> I have read that the US is the most violent society of all industrialized countries. Our non-gun-related murder rate is the world's highest.

To: jbe who wrote (64367)	12/1/1999 1:15:00 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	Respond to of 108807

>>there is another possible explanation for the behavior you allude to above, other than the one you offer ("pop culture doesn't like behaviors to be judged"). Forgiveness, after all, is considered to be a Christian virtue (especially when the person you are forgiving is already dead -- that is, has already suffered the maximum punishment a court could inflict). That's a very good point, Joan.... bp