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To: Neocon who wrote (64892)12/3/1999 11:02:00 AM
From: jlallen  Respond to of 108807
 
Yep. JLA



To: Neocon who wrote (64892)12/3/1999 12:11:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Well, I'm not one of your buds <g>, but I agree, too.

As I have said before, when this whole thing began I stuck my head under a pillow, and said: "Tell me when it's over. I don't want to see." I just knew what was going to happen.

That goofy Albright apparently thought that dropping a few bombs on Milosevich would frighten him so much he would immediately come running to make terms. (The precedent she was thinking of, of course, was the UN-backed NATO bombing of Bosnia.) And somehow she managed to persuade the leaders of the other NATO countries (who ought to have known better) of the same thing.

Well, of course, Milosevich didn't cave in right away. It was obvious that NATO was going to get sucked into a huge operation; that civilian casualties were inevitable; that the Albanian Kosovars would ultimately seek to take their own revenge, under NATO cover; that NATO would be stuck in an impossible situation, unable to back down for fear of "losing face" in the first major military operation it had ever undertaken; etc., etc. Anyone with the slightest first-hand knowledge of this kind of ethnic conflict could have predicted it all.

The second thing that bothered me was that there was absolutely no difference between the Yugoslavia/Kosovo situation and the 1994-1996 Russia/Chechnya one, except, perhaps, that Yugoslavia had a better claim to Kosovo than Russia did to Chechnya. Yet Clinton insisted that the latter conflict was a purely "internal" one, and had even hailed Boris Yeltsin as an Abraham Lincoln, righteously striving to hold his country together!! This made it appear that the United States was simply a bully: willing to take on the weaklings, but afraid to take on the big boys.

I must say I am pleased that the Clinton Administration is at least expressing some alarm about the second Russian attack on Chechnya. But if it had taken this same position five years ago, when the first round began, I am convinced there would never have been a second round.

Joan



To: Neocon who wrote (64892)12/3/1999 12:18:00 PM
From: Bill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Quite right. I was against any US military action fearing it would provoke Slobo to escalate his violence on civilians. Once in, I thought we ought to withdraw unconditionally to spare lives. Still feel I was right.