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To: Jay Lowe who wrote (668)	12/6/1999 7:55:00 PM
From: Stephen B. Temple	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1782

Anyone; how can an inaccurate router table cause 8 hours of down time for AT&TWorldNet if it was infact, a shared ISP? Since IP addresses are shared among ISPs, and databases storing those addresses have to be continually updated to ensure service, why would a "shared ISP" affect AT&T, and how often do the addresses need to be updated? I would think that AT&T had total control over their IP address and links, or is this an individual ISP problem and AT&T was singled out? Did this mean that the problem-router with a shared ISP was just that, shared and not controlled in any fashion by AT&T? So one could say that any ISP running off AT&TWorldNet could in fact mishandle a router function and cause considerable down time, not only to the local ISP, but to the entire AT&T program? If it take more than a few sentences here, that's ok, no biggie..... Just a bit confused here. techweb.com temp'

To: Jay Lowe who wrote (668)	12/6/1999 8:05:00 PM
From: ftth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1782

I guess I could see where this would SOUND attractive, conceptually, to small companies due to the cost of such tools per seat. Consider me skeptical, though, because such tools take immense graphics and computing horsepower to be tolerable as dedicated, stand-alone apps. I remember how frustrating it was to run (then Comdisco now Cadence) SPW via 10baseT. I can't imagine doing a several hundred thousand gate design (ORCA appears to be the only thing supported at present--which is interesting considering the Altera roots of the company) OVER THE INTERNET! Maybe my perspective is wrong, and I haven't been in the same situation with the vendors as you have, so I can't see it with the same enthusiasm. You'd have to trade off time to market vs outright purchase vs frustration vs limitations (i.e. is it a "lite" version of the tool), bla, bla, bla. In any case I definitely don't see it as a sight-unseen, "must have." I would, however, like to try it out at some time, just to see where it stands performance-wise, regardless of price. If you or Stephen or anyone else that is an "uninterested party" can give a relative performance eval, at some point in the future, please do!