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To: Ilaine who wrote (65962)12/9/1999 11:03:00 AM
From: Daniel Schuh  Respond to of 108807
 
Meanwhile, somewhat in the spirit of the holidays, also in the spirit of your Aristotle excerpts, I offer this bit of dimly remembered lore from my college days, conveniently located at the MIT site you pointed out. Neocon might find it of some interest to some of his theological correspondent on "Sanity". Members of the William Bennett school of canonical family values might find it entertaining also, but who can say? Maybe it's a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing, or maybe it's all ironic, as Alcibiades elsewhere noted as Socrates' manner. In this particular instance, it was all quite platonic in the end.

From Plato's Symposium, classics.mit.edu

When the lamp was put out and the servants had gone away, I thought that I must be plain with him and have no more ambiguity. So I gave him a shake, and I said: "Socrates, are you asleep?" "No," he said. "Do you know what I am meditating? "What are you meditating?" he said. "I think," I replied, "that of all the lovers whom I have ever had you are the only one who is worthy of me, and you appear to be too modest to speak. Now I feel that I should be a fool to refuse you this or any other favour, and therefore I come to lay at your feet all that I have and all that my friends have, in the hope that you will assist me in the way of virtue, which I desire above all things, and in which I believe that you can help me better than any one else. And I should certainly have more reason to be ashamed of what wise men would say if I were to refuse a favour to such as you, than of what the world who are mostly fools, would say of me if I granted it." To these words he replied in the ironical manner which is so characteristic of him: "Alcibiades, my friend, you have indeed an elevated aim if what you say is true, and if there really is in me any power by which you may become better; truly you must see in me some rare beauty of a kind infinitely higher than any which I see in you. And therefore, if you mean to share with me and to exchange beauty for beauty, you will have greatly the advantage of me; you will gain true beauty in return for appearance-like Diomede, gold in exchange for brass. But look again, sweet friend, and see whether you are not deceived in me. The mind begins to grow critical when the bodily eye fails, and it will be a long time before you get old." Hearing this, I said: "I have told you my purpose, which is quite serious, and do you consider what you think best for you and me." "That is good," he said; "at some other time then we will consider and act as seems best about this and about other matters." Whereupon, I fancied that was smitten, and that the words which I had uttered like arrows had wounded him, and so without waiting to hear more I got up, and throwing my coat about him crept under his threadbare cloak, as the time of year was winter, and there I lay during the whole night having this wonderful monster in my arms. This again, Socrates, will not be denied by you. And yet, notwithstanding all, he was so superior to my solicitations, so contemptuous and derisive and disdainful of my beauty-which really, as I fancied, had some attractions-hear, O judges; for judges you shall be of the haughty virtue of Socrates-nothing more happened, but in the morning when I awoke (let all the gods and goddesses be my witnesses) I arose as from the couch of a father or an elder brother.



To: Ilaine who wrote (65962)12/9/1999 3:01:00 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
The Christmas Story

Luke 2:1
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from
Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Luke 2:2
(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)

Luke 2:3
And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

Luke 2:4
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth,
into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;
(because he was of the house and lineage of David:)

Luke 2:5
To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Luke 2:6
And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were
accomplished that she should be delivered.

Luke 2:7
And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling
clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them
in the inn.

Luke 2:8
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field,
keeping watch over their flock by night.

Luke 2:9
And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the
Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

Luke 2:10
And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good
tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which
is Christ the Lord.

Luke 2:12
And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in
swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

Luke 2:13
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly
host praising God, and saying,

Luke 2:14
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Luke 2:15
And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into
heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto
Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord
hath made known unto us.

Luke 2:16
And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe
lying in a manger.

Luke 2:17
And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which
was told them concerning this child.

Luke 2:18
And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told
them by the shepherds.

Luke 2:19
But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.

Luke 2:20
And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the
things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

Luke 2:21
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the
child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel
before he was conceived in the womb.