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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (82608)	12/10/1999 1:13:00 PM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571685

Tench, Re:"Itanium, Willamette and Sledgehammer" I tend to agree with you that Itanium and sledgehammer will not compete in same segments. But it seems to me there are VERY VERY many server apps. where having the 64 bit adressing is beneficial coupled with legacy software support. And an Itanium solution would be way overkill for such apps. As far as willamette is concerned its tough to tell. There is some speculation on Aces about willamtte with 4 IP/clock, trace cache and dual rambus channells etc. Sounds like a very nice CPU for workstations apps. They also speculated that L2 cache would be off chip due to massive die size. Seems to me that Athlon with integrated cache and 3 IP/clock may get close to Willamette performance. And sledgehammer with 2 Athlons per die plus 64 bit adressing etc. should be able to play with Willamette on performance all day long. Sledgehammer with ON chip cache should have a die size in 200-250mm2 range in 0.18 and in 160-180mm2 range in 0.13 micron for 2001. I have a feeling the higher end market will segment into several markets by 2001. And all the CPU's should have good potentials. Just my 0.02. regards, Kash

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (82608)	12/10/1999 2:44:00 PM
From: Pravin Kamdar	Respond to of 1571685

Tenchusatsu, Wouldn't referring to IA-32 as a "Pinto" be somewhat belittling to everyone working on Willamette, Foster, and its proliferations? He was so single mindedly trying to bash Sledgehammer that that did not occur to him. We may also infer from his remarks that there is probably not a contingency plan in the works at Intel to add 64 bit extensions to the Willamette. On that note, I am beginning to think that if Intel would add 64 bit extentions to the Willamette, that it would actually benefit AMD. It would force developers to develop x86 64 bit code and force MS to provide an operating system. And, with core improvements to the Athlon core, technical floating point extensions, and 64 bit extensions that Sledgehammer will benefit form, it may not be too much slower than a 64 bit extended Willamette -- especially with two of them on a single chip in a tightly integrated SMP configuration. With the size rumors about the Willamette, it may not be practical for Intel to put two of them on a single die. Pravin.