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To: Nuni who wrote (66130)	12/11/1999 8:39:00 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 108807

Thanks. But Christine knew that. Christine's post was just despicable. But she knew that too. Best of the holiday season to you. JLA

To: Nuni who wrote (66130)	12/11/1999 8:45:00 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

<<I was never hit or slapped as a child, but I imagine I was wopped by a protective parent when I was too young to understand words. It's nothing I remember--but I see animals give their babies wops too. I think it's nature.>> I was slapped in the face with a ping-pong paddle by my mother and beaten frequently with a belt by my father. No big deal. On the other side I have raised several fine minding dogs with never a hand laid on them. If you can show enough love a little disappointment in your voice is enough.

To: Nuni who wrote (66130)	12/11/1999 8:58:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I agree with you that animals do it. But that does NOT negate the point that it encourages violence. Remember animals are very violent (by our "human" standards). I am sure that hitting a child (and wopping is hitting) is violent and encourages violence- but whether that is a bad thing or not is the question. Your delimination of "wopping" versus "spanking" was illogical. This is a lot like the abortion debate- where one side sees an activity as murder that the other side doesn't- it's just that in THIS case the namby pamby liberals (usually namby pamby liberals- conservatives seem to have aligned with the spankers) see spanking a child as child abuse. And since they see it as child abuse they tend to demonize the spankers- just as the "Right to lifers" or "anti choicers" demonize THEIR opposition. It is always fun to demonize the opposition but it doesn't do much to promote logic. I haven't made up my mind yet on spanking. I don't like it- and many parents certainly veer into beating- because 1. they are angry and out of control when they spank and 2. they reason that "everyone" does it and that there is no other way to curb a child's behavior. But that said one has to watch a young child VERY carefully in order to avoid training them with spankings. Spankings are the lazy way to train a young pre-verbal child to avoid things. Don't want junior to wander into the street? Whack him when he puts his foot on it. The alternative is to watch him until he is old enough to talk. But that's a bitch I know. I was extremely careful with my children and I rarely had to use any physical punishment. I slapped a hand once or twice because of electrical cords- there was simply no other way to make a baby understand- but the LOOK I got. My children were VERY hurt by that. They could not understand why I, their mother, who until that time had provided nothing but pleasure, would hit them. And a slap IS a hit. Just like a whop is a hit. So I don't know. We ARE animals and we ARE violent animals- the proof of that is all around us. If we want to be less violent we should probably change the way we rear our children, and the culture in which we raise them in. But I don't see much of a commitment to do that. So people must prefer violence. It's the easy choice.