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To: Grainne who wrote (68793)12/26/1999 10:41:00 PM
From: Edwarda  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Christine, I do not want to get into this "discussion" particularly, since it strikes me as not going anywhere toward a resolution. However, the "men looking for signs in the sky" of note were the Magi, who were not looking for the King of the Jews--they were pagans looking for signs of something portentous that might change history, according to legend.

There were always Jewish people looking for signs of the King or Great Leader or Messiah of the Jews, looking from the Maccabbees right along to Sabbatai Zevi. You cannot understand this?



To: Grainne who wrote (68793)12/27/1999 8:59:00 AM
From: lorrie coey  Read Replies (7) | Respond to of 108807
 
Hmmm...imo,

We cannot be sure that "Jesus, the Christ", [conceived by an "immaculate conception"], was ever really born at all...we know that Immaculate Conception is Not actually possible. I think the males who designed the Myth were aware that by creating the "virgin mary/madonna" symbol and having her essentially raped by god, they could successfully humiliate and subjugate The Pure Female.

By raping Mary, God made rape acceptable, "hey, if God does it...!"

MAN created his god[s] in his own image...not vice versa.

That's what All "religion", ["to bind back"], is about...subjugation and domination of the Female/Feminine/Yin Energies. Jesus himself is an embodiement of "Female" or Yin energy...when they killed him, they were killing widely held values/beliefs about "Women" and "Nature", and replacing them with the Yang, Master/Slave, male value system of Sado-Masochism, Death, Destruction and Domination...[dueteronomy20].

The crucifix, a hideously disgusting phallic symbol and torture implement...is still the Icon of the male paradigm/fantasy, which is enforced and perpetuated by Sadism, and "benevolent intrusion". "Roman Civilization", ["the disciplined phallus"], remains a big part of "judaochristianity", and other systems. The Roman soldiers were "religiously", [though not exclusively], Homosexual. This Homosocial, sado-masochistic male bonding, was extremely effective in developing efficient and enthusiastic killers/hunters/torturers of other human beings.

I think "men"* have a genetic and psychological imperative, [Y], which drives them to establish The Hierarchy among themselves, in order to dominate/exploit Women and Nature, [chattle/resources]. Their inability to grow and nurture life in their own bodies drove this suicidal species to develop "The Biggest Stick"! [...and they havn't stopped there.]

That's why I just Laugh and roll my eyes when people speak of "penis envy"...as if it's a Female affliction!

What projection!!!

It definitely exists between/among males!

How many Women out there would Choose to have their Ovaries dangling, pinching and bunching, exposed, hosting Fungus colonies!!???

I say males have Uterus Envy...which is why we have male, sky-god religions**...they NEED them, desperately, to FEEL omnipotent, relative to the Female...

Equality IS Not Enough for modern males*...to this day, they WANT controlling interest and legal ownership of The Uterus!

Hello!

Anti-Choice proponents demonstrate unadulterated Uterus E-N-V-Y.

They are reminded every time they copulate, that the Yin/Female/Receptive Energy is Infinite, Boundless and Elemental. The Yang/male/intrusive energy is Finite, Contained and Fundamental...or,

Women are The Ocean and men are Rain.

The Romans invented the whole bible myth as a way of eliminating Celtic and pagan religion and culture***. As [I think] you pointed out, the "jesus story" is clearly influenced by paganism...the circular wreaths we hang are pagan, the red berries of holly are pagan symbols of Female fertility...the mistletoe, Lapland, the lights on the Tree, Rudolph's Red Nose, etc. [Pagan-Pagan-Pagan!]

I wonder if "Jesus" was what/who we "think" he was. I think of "Jesus" as a metaphor/mythic symbol. Without the concept/creation of a male "savior"..."Christ", we would still be "worshiping" Feminine Deities.

*please see my "90%" disclaimer/rule of Law... ; )

**and transgenders, cross dressers and "Drag Queens"...to name a few fun things that men do!

***not to mention that it got the Vatican into the PublishingBiz...$!