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To: lorrie coey who wrote (68845)	12/27/1999 10:04:00 AM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 108807

Hmmmmmmm. What a simply lovely post. Just filled with the holiday spirit. May we have another? JLA

To: lorrie coey who wrote (68845)	12/27/1999 10:16:00 AM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 108807

Excuse me for mentioning it, but the Immaculate Conception does not relate to the conception of Jesus at all. It relates to Mary's being conceived without original sin. Just a point of clarification.

To: lorrie coey who wrote (68845)	12/27/1999 10:31:00 AM
From: Edwarda	Respond to of 108807

On rereading this posting, I am nonplussed. What a very strange conception of the world!

To: lorrie coey who wrote (68845)	12/27/1999 11:48:00 AM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Jesus loves you, lorrie!

To: lorrie coey who wrote (68845)	12/27/1999 12:31:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Holly Molly! No wonder it's so difficult to have a reasonable discussion of different viewpoints on this thread! Do most liberals really think this way?? I'll have to save this one as a deeply thought out liberal point of view. res- <<<The crucifix, a hideously disgusting phallic symbol and torture implement...is still the Icon of the male paradigm/fantasy, which is enforced and perpetuated by Sadism, and "benevolent intrusion". "Roman Civilization", ["the disciplined phallus"], remains a big part of "judaochristianity", and other systems>>> It looks like you've been reading too much Freud or something! The sad thing is you probably learned all this from some recent college course you attended. Michael

To: lorrie coey who wrote (68845)	12/27/1999 1:31:00 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Cave women had extensive wardrobes: December 26, 1999 Cave women wore evening gowns Jonathan Leake, Science Editor RAQUEL Welch's fur bikini has been cast aside. Archeologists have condemned Hollywood's crude portrayal of Stone Age women to the midden heap of history, with research showing that many maintained extensive wardrobes of fine fabrics, linens and evening wear. The research, partially inspired by the stereotyping of cave women in films such as One Million Years BC, has shown that, while skins and furs may have been acceptable day wear, palaeolithic women had plenty of seductive alternatives. Studies on statues and other artefacts dating back between 27,000 and 20,000 years show that in central Europe cave women would flaunt themselves in low-slung revealing linen frocks and that others, in what is now the Czech republic, created the first "boob tubes" made of strips of fabric wrapped around their chests. In France, fine string skirts were the height of fashion in 23,000 BC. "Those skirts were to die for," said Olga Soffer, professor of anthropology at the University of Illinois, who co- wrote the research. "We always imagine Stone Age man as dressing in smelly animal hides, but this was fine clothing. It was a far more sophisticated culture than many imagine." Their conclusions are based on an analysis of the Venus Figurines, small hand-sized carvings of women that were popular among Stone Age cultures across central Europe. Hundreds have been found, mostly portraying women with huge breasts, bulging thighs and big bellies. Most studies have focused on their uses, with suggestions ranging from prehistoric erotica to fertility fetishes or even teaching devices to explain sex to Stone Age adolescents. Soffer, who spent 10 years in the fashion business before becoming an academic, decided to stop the theorising. Instead she subjected the carvings to microscopic analysis - and found that they showed clothing, jewellery and body art, often in great detail. She says that the fine textiles were the Stone Age equivalent of clothing by Donna Karan or Calvin Klein. The difference was that such skills would have been common among Stone Age women. Most palaeolithic people lived nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyles in small groups of up to 25. Males probably hunted animals, while females sought out edible plants. In winter, however, smaller groups would congregate so that youngsters could meet potential mates. It was at these gatherings that religious and other rituals would take place - where the women could replace animal skins with the palaeolithic equivalent of a cocktail dress. "These events could be the equivalent of a debutante's ball, held to mark a girl's coming of age," said Soffer. sunday-times.co.uk

To: lorrie coey who wrote (68845)	12/27/1999 1:57:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Don't you understand that the "Immaculate Conception" in RC dogma applies to the conception of Mary, not of Jesus? Please correct this. It makes you look ridiculous. I think your post is a gas, but it needs a little work to make it more scholarly. I think you need several dozen footnotes, you need to trace some of the ideas to the Fathers, especially Augustine, and also to the Mothers. You should try to perfect your refutation of Christian orthodoxy. Many of us would appreciate it if you did a thorough job. Keep working at it. Don't let carpers put you off.