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To: KeepItSimple who wrote (89207)	12/31/1999 1:45:00 PM
From: HG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

Australia carries a bit to the extreme...... We lived in a posh Sydney suburb and worked our butt off with 15-18 hour days. Between the two of us, we supported 6 - 8 Australian families on welfare...and guess where those family lived ? One of them was our neighbour !!!!! Guy was 27 and was proud to have never ever worked in his life. He had a permanent tan from being a beach bum....he had 5 children and made over 4K tax free every year. Nice guy. But I just couldn't take it anymore after 5 years....I felt I was handing him 4K from my salary every month.....I knew it was a stupid system which penalised the hard working....

To: KeepItSimple who wrote (89207)	12/31/1999 10:03:00 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 164684

Oh yeah? Ever hear of debtors prison? ???. We don't have them. If you literally have part of a population that cant afford food, and cant afford housing, you better either hope they die quietly in the street corner- or else when they get hungry enough they're going to break down the doors of the people who DO have food. Well, there's a third alternative -- they could try to become responsible. It would seem to be a better approach than just paying them off. If you start giving them money, food, whatever, where does it stop? Soon you'll be taking from the have-nots to give it to the haves (one could put forth a cogent argument that we are doing that already). I recognize this isn't the place for this discussion, however, I place blame for many of our society's ills squarely on the shoulders of liberalism. In my view, the Welfare State is more a product of liberalism than it is of any "true" need on the parts of its recipients (What happened to these people before the "Great Society"?). Consequently, it is difficult for me to let blatant support of liberalism to pass without commenting. Sorry, I'll to control it in the future <g>...