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To: haqihana who wrote (28958)	12/31/1999 2:41:00 PM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Haqi.. "Obey those who have the rule over you" is a quote from the Bible it is for the New Covenant Saints ( Christians ) RE>>There is no evidence that God appointed any mortal to rule over others since Moses. << That is crazy. There have always been elders in the church to whom we are to submit. We are also called to obey those whom God appoints in the Government unless they become utter enemies of God. ( Like Hitler ) RE>>Probably, to illustrate what folly it is to have any sort of royalty.<< God was angry because they did not need another Government they already had the Church. Kings in this world always try to take over the rule and the role of the Church. They are both ORDAINED modes of Government. RE>>Many elders in churches such as Puritan, and Mormon, take their position as elders to wield undue authority over others.<< That is quite a charge you are laying. You are speaking evil of men you have never even met. You do not take proper heed to this warning: 2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. There are many honorable men whom God has chosen to "feed the sheep" as shepherds and rulers of the flock. Your continued attack on the Puritans is of little value. How many "Puritan churches" do you think there are today? Since you speak so freely about how evil their elders are you must be able to name a least a few. What does the Mormon Church have to do with a Puritan Church? RE>>Puritan and coined the idea of the "elect", which indicated that they felt themselves to be vastly superior to others. << Superior? This proves you have no understanding of God's Election. The Elect are in a vastly superior position to those who are not but it is not because they within themselves were "superior". It is not a question of superiority but of Grace. God gave Grace to Jacob but not to Esau! They both quite evil in and of themselves. Go read Genesis and see. Esau wanted to feed his flesh and Jacob exploited his brother's sin ! Jacob was in a superior position but he was not chosen because of anything good in his flesh! Your entire concept of Salvation is unbiblical. Everyone who gets saved was hand picked by the Father before they were ever born. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. . What God has shown me is that answering senseless accusations is without end and a distraction. Do you even know who God has called to rule over you in the Church?