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To: Thomas Mercer-Hursh who wrote (25494)	12/31/1999 5:31:00 PM
From: cfimx	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 64865

>>Java still has a 2-3X penalty in execution performance on the server compared with good C++ code and that's a pretty hefty disincentive ... unless you are selling iron, I suppose.<< ...I LUV it when you talk like that! PS: careful, you have to post these when JC has his back to his sunray. <g>

To: Thomas Mercer-Hursh who wrote (25494)	12/31/1999 7:50:00 PM
From: JC Jaros	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Back from the Twinkly Bit momentarily-- My thing Thomas is about what we're feeding our HS kids. C++ isn't going to have that 'performance' advantage over Java in any time frame that matters for someone learning a programming language now. In fact, the performance thing (at this point particularly) is greatly overblown in the first place. In UNIX, 'portability' is valued over 'performance' as a point of major dogma. Unix isn't written in Assembler, for good reason. Back in the day when we were doing BBSs, and unknowingly trying to re-write Unix, we were doing it with stolen QuickBasic compilers and hand rolled script and kicking the crap outta BBSs written in C, Turbo C, and C+ (and whatever MajorBBS was done in). It wasn't as crisp, but it was better; in the same way Unix in C is better than Windows in machine code. Java on the server has gone over the top with the Apache J-serv product. It's not quite 100% there yet, but it's 'there' enough to start waving bye-bye to teaching our kids C++. IMO Anyone watch the Eifel Tower go off on TV? -JCJ