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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (2265)	1/5/2000 7:53:00 AM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Superlative list! Especially astute was the realistic take on FDR and the backhand reference to JFK and Slick Willie in the salute to Ike: (Ike) His years as president marked the high point of good government and civic values - before made-for-television politicians degraded and besmirched and cheapened the presidency. I like Ike. The single digit salute to radical left-wing "feminists": Margaret Thatcher - A grocer's daughter, she managed to overcome Britain's poisonous class structure, restore the jejune Conservative party, and rescue her nation from the swamp of socialism into which it was sinking fast. The toughest politician in Britain, she and Ronald Reagan led the free world to victory in the Cold War. Thatcher is the greatest woman of the century. Best of all: Franklin Roosevelt - A clever, flamboyant American leader, he is idolized by Democrats as the greatest president. But recent revelations from Soviet KGB archives show FDR's administration was riddled with communist agents and sympathizers who ended up virtually directing U.S. foreign policy during the war. Roosevelt (and Churchill) prolonged the war and aided the Soviet advance into Eastern Europe by refusing to negotiate a surrender with Germany. In effect, Roosevelt defeated a lesser tyrant - Hitler - by allying himself to a far greater criminal - Stalin - who had killed tens of millions of people before 1939. At Yalta, Roosevelt and Churchill gave half of Europe to Stalin in payment for defeating Hitler. btw, the toll on Ukraine is the lowest I've seen. I believe a Canadian documentary which the US PBS refused to run (in the interests of detente no doubt) set the toll at 3-4 times that figure.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (2265)	1/5/2000 9:34:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3246

Very interesting, indeed. There are a very few things that I object to, but mostly it is rather well said. You are right to dwell on the status of Mussolini, who was, in fact, not a very brutal dictator, by historical standards, but who unwisely tied his fortune to Hitler. Fascism became forever discredited by its associated with Nazism, when in itself it was actually better than Communism, which is why I prefer Franco, not so much to the Republic, but to the Stalinists he preempted.......