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Pastimes : DISCUSSION OF DOCTRINE of CHRISTIAN CHURCHES -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (40)	1/5/2000 1:02:00 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 454

CharleyMane, While I am SURE you will receive a ...post... from BV answering you, I hope you do not mind if I tell you what I learn from the Scriptures, then I will ask you a question, ok? I will TRY to be brief. One of the texts you used was MArk 14: 22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. body there is : soma, so'-mah; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, lit. or fig.:--bodily, body, slave. It is the same word used in the Corinthian letter when Paul was speaking of the Communion. 1Cor. 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. Look at what Paul also said. that we are one bread, and one body....Paul, and those he was writing understood this to be the Church of which Christ is the Head. So in light of what Jesus told the woman at the well(John 4:23-24) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. I see that my spiritual worship to the Father also includes partaking in the bread and the cup, REMEMBERING Jesus until He comes again. ( this do in remembrance of me.) How do you see the scripture of John 4:23-24 as physical? thanks dan

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (40)	1/5/2000 2:40:00 AM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 454

RE>>Also, you still didn't answer my question as to what the faithful did before the bible was put together in year 325.<< I thought I told you I did not bother to answer you because you have not study the History of the Bible much at all or you would not say the things you say.. You thought the KJV was the first English Bible. How much could you have possibly studied? Also .. why would I address a false Roman assertion like this... "The bible was put together in the year 325" The Bible had been translated into 7 different languages by the year 200 AD. The Roman Government was still killing Christians under Septimius Severus while the Church ( Not Rome ) had recognized 23 books of the New Testament as being Canonical. In the year 180 AD Irenaeus of Lyons , a student of Polycarp wrote a book called " Against Heresies" and listed 20 books of the New Testament as being Canonical. Remember that many date the book of Revelations as being granted to Paul at 96 AD. Before that in 144 AD there is historical record of a man named "Marcion" who was excommunicated as an Heretic for teaching that there was no connection between the OLD TESTAMENT and the "NEW TESTAMENT" ( compilation of books just as the old ) and in fact taught that the "God of the Jews" was a different God that the "God of the Gentiles" and that false teaching did not die for 100's of years. The way some people talk about the Old Testament and God changing is not that much different when you think about it. RE>>, "Take this and eat it, this is my body."?<< I have dealt with people who are caught in the cult of Rome before... What it boils down to is this.. They teach what the Church teaches but never check anywhere outside of to see if it is true. They will use maybe 10% scripture and 90% anything else to prove themselves When cornered they change the subject or will say " I do not know but I am SURE MY PRIEST can answer that. Rome violate so many scriptures why would you believe her testimony about history? The Church of Rome is a Lair and Her Father is the Devil. Their is only enough of the truth to make her "look" like light: 2 Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. The Church of Rome is "Another Gospel" Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. You need to repent of defending the heresies of Rome lest you receive the curse of Paul.