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To: Chris land who wrote (70841)	1/5/2000 2:28:00 AM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 108807

Screw Paul. Screw you.

To: Chris land who wrote (70841)	1/5/2000 5:45:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Respond to of 108807

Chris, "If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints." What about Rev. 13:10? Sounds like predestination to me!! And Romans 8:29? "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren; and whom He predestined these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified, ......... and another place it says that......it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who works but on God who has mercy.

To: Chris land who wrote (70841)	1/5/2000 9:02:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

Isn't there something about if the people in the place don't want to listen to you, to shake the dust off your sandals and move on? (Acts 13:51) And, of course, Christ never demanded that any of his followers preach the gospel to people who didn't want to hear it, did He? So what I am asking is, where is your authority to preach the gospel to people who don't want to hear it? Not to mention that you are not being polite. A soft word turns away wrath, as you know.

To: Chris land who wrote (70841)	1/5/2000 9:17:00 AM
From: Bill	Respond to of 108807

Give it a rest, would ya Chris? Seriously, you are overeaching if your goal is to convince somebody of some thing.

To: Chris land who wrote (70841)	1/5/2000 2:04:00 PM
From: Thomas C. White	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galations 1:8 Ahem...that's "Galatians." That is, a rather stern letter of Paul directed to the church in Galatia (part of present day Turkey). Aside from the fact that someone appears to have pinched your Prozac supply again, you are basically taking Paul's statement entirely out of context for your own sanctimonious purposes. Basically, Paul's letter was directed against syncretism in the early church, the combination of different practices in a religion. Specifically, he was addressing the issue of the Judaizer movement, those Jewish Christians of the early church who insisted that only one who agreed to convert to Judaism and to follow the Jewish law could rightfully be a Christian. In Galatians, for example, he speaks against the principle that male Gentile converts to Christianity would need to be circumsized. The basic undergirding message of Galatians as a whole is that salvation is through faith, not adherence to the law of the Jews or any other. This movement to subsume Christianity into basically a sideshow of pharisaical Judaism threatened to foment an early schism in the church, to basically split the church into a fundamentally Jewish Christianity and an entirely separate one for Gentiles. His admonition against other gospels was specifically directed at those who were using various statements in the four gospels taken in isolation to support the position of a Jewish-centered Christianity. Even within the apostles, there was considerable disagreement about this issue. Paul was the strictest about it, whereas Peter for example was a bit more easygoing. And with all due respect, the idea of Jesus being ashamed of anyone before the Father seems somewhat syncretic in itself (and rather nauseating to be frank). Would you care to elucidate upon why Jesus would be ashamed of anything or anyone? He is not responsible for our decisions.

To: Chris land who wrote (70841)	1/5/2000 2:35:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

1 Corinthians 13 (English-NIV) 1 If I speak in the tongues [1] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, [2] but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.