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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: CJ who wrote (152)	1/8/2000 11:06:00 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

Quick reply: ummm... you are proposing that Suzanne walked the entire two miles from Phelps Gate in 30 minutes -- i.e. at 4 mph! -- the last 3/4 mile to the crime scene with 17 stab wounds to the head and a slit throat?! OK... Anyone else think this possible before I make further comment? - Jeff

To: CJ who wrote (152)	1/9/2000 1:49:00 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

CJ, just to help firm up some of your JV questions and technical assumptions ... A. Any witnesses' statements that they saw his car parked in the ....... same spot at various times on the night of 12/4 No. Nor any saying it wasn't there as he claimed. ... B. Any witnesses' statements that they were outside ....... near Jim's apt. and never saw anyone arrive/depart. No. ... C. Any witnesses' statements that they live/were visiting within ....... earshot of Jim's apt., and never heard anything. No one near Jim's apartment ever reported anything "suspicious". 2. IMO, the woman who saw SJ after SJ saw Peter Stein was incorrect in her estimate of what time it was, and that it was closer to 9:20PM-9:25PM [rather than, "around/close to 9:30PM"]. The reason for this is Jeff's add'l. info of where the woman saw her, and that if Suzanne basically stayed in one area very long, several other students who knew her would have seen her; and, Re: Timeline "At 9:01 p.m., Jovin sent an e-mail from her Park Street apartment. In the e-mail, Jovin apologized to her friend for having taken so long to get back to her, and wrote that she had put the GRE study materials the friend had requested in the foyer of the Park Street apartment. "Stein is relatively positive about the 9:15 time estimate. After parting with Jovin at Phelps gate, Stein wandered around for another 10 or 15 minutes, and then went home to call his mother. Stein said police later checked his phone records and found that he placed the call around 9:30, exactly the amount of time he needed to corroborate his estimate." yaledailynews.com This gives Suzanne 14 minutes to finish up around her apartment and get to where Stein was, a distance of three city blocks as the crow flies (i.e. she'd have to go through locked gates and cross three streets). 9:15 sounds reasonable. From there, Suzanne still had to walk a bit more to the police substation in Phelps Gate, get someone's attention, return the car keys, exit, and walk a 100 yards or so. Yes, we need to pin this stuff down more thoroughly, but your estimate of 9:20-9:25 definitely seems reasonable given what we now know. it should be agreed that Suzanne could have easily walked from where she was last seen to the crime scene in a maximum of 15 -20 mins. Jim's apt. was closer, and would have taken a max. of 15 mins. Sorry. No way no how. Recall it took me 8:45 to drive there! Most women jog at between 10-12 minutes per mile let alone walk at 7.5-10. I did time myself walking the route and as I recall it took me 25-30 minutes... and I am an avid runner. Let's also not forget the number of intersections, the fact that there's a steep uphill, etc. Again, I think it's pretty clear that any "reasonable" scenario must involve a car. - Jeff

To: CJ who wrote (152)	1/9/2000 1:53:00 PM
From: Janice Shell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

What is missing? IMO, This: . ... A. Any witnesses' statements that they saw his car parked in the ....... same spot at various times on the night of 12/4; ... B. Any witnesses' statements that they were outside ....... near Jim's apt. and never saw anyone arrive/depart. ... C. Any witnesses' statements that they live/were visiting within ....... earshot of Jim's apt., and never heard anything. Do people really notice things like this? Sure, someone might have thought twice if Jim's car were parked somewhere where he didn't usually park it. But the neighbors must have been used to seeing it in the street near his apartment, and so would be unlikely to remember whether it was there that particular evening. If the apartment building is relatively small, it's quite likely that no one saw him arrive home. There are fifteen units in my own building, three or four of which are doctors' offices. I rarely encounter any of my neighbors when I go in and out. Depending on what the apartment was like, and on where in it the TV was located, others in the building may or may not have been able to hear whether it was on or not. And of course Jim's nearest neighbors may have been out. It was a Friday night, after all.

To: CJ who wrote (152)	1/9/2000 2:27:00 PM
From: Janice Shell	Respond to of 1397

2. IMO, the woman who saw SJ after SJ saw Peter Stein was incorrect in her estimate of what time it was, and that it was closer to 9:20PM-9:25PM [rather than, "around/close to 9:30PM"]. The reason for this is Jeff's add'l. info of where the woman saw her, and that if Suzanne basically stayed in one area very long, several other students who knew her would have seen her; Let's consider this witness, and what she said. By her account she'd left the hockey game early to go to a party, so she was walking back to the campus on College St. She says she saw Suzanne, but doesn't say that they exchanged greetings. If indeed they did not (and I think she would have mentioned the fact) then either Witness didn't know Suzanne very well at all, or was too far away (on the other side of the street?) to make such an exchange practicable. In addition, Witness later--how much later, days later?--reports that an Hispanic (or was it black? I'm too lazy to look it up) man walking a little ahead of Suzanne, and a white man, blonde with glasses walking a little behind her. Hmmmmmm, I find this unconvincing in the extreme. You're out walking in a busy street, intent on getting where you're going. You pass dozens of people. You spot someone you know, but the two of you don't speak. And then afterwards you remember the people nearby? I really don't think so...I'm extremely sceptical of this "information". How long after the event was Witness questioned? You'll recall as well that she was impressionable enough to agree imediately, when shown a photo of Jim, that it could have been he. It was night. How good is the lighting on College St at that point? Was the person Witness saw really Suzanne? Might Witness have been mistaken, or, in fact, might she have been making the whole thing up? If she didn't see Suzanne on College St, how does the scenario change?

To: CJ who wrote (152)	1/9/2000 2:34:00 PM
From: Janice Shell	Respond to of 1397

He "snapped," grabbed a knife, slashed at her throat from behind, thus silencing her, and repeatedly stabbed her, on the back of her neck. His adrenaline dissipating, Suzanne finally broke away and ran out of his apt. He was too cautious - and horrified at what happened -- to follow her. . She walked and staggered as far as she could, then collapsed where she was found. {Appx. 3-4 minutes from Jim's apt.} Tragically, she expired as she was on the grass, a minute or two before the police and ambulance arrived. The blood that was taken from the grass the following day by the NHPD was a mixture of slight bleeding from her as she lay there, and blood from the front of her clothing. I don't think that works. There's good reason to believe she was completely exsanguinated when she arrived (however she got there) on the spot where she was found. She didn't arrive on foot, IMO. Yes, you can carry on for a few minutes after being stabbed (remember Elizabeth of Austria), but not for long. And Sissy wasn't stabbed 17 times; only once. Most telling of all: I don't doubt the police ran very thorough forensic examinations of Jim's apartment. You can't get rid of blood. There's a special technique (I forget the name) for finding it even years later. A quick mop-up would definitely not do the trick. And as I said in an earlier post, apparently most multiple stabbings involve very heavy bloodshed.