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To: Bill Jackson who wrote (86076)	1/8/2000 11:19:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571841

Re: "Jim, Do you think it is the baggage that goes with the 'notched' gates that is causing the yield problems." Bill, this is a perfect example of your "reality by consensus". You have all agreed amongst yourselves that Intel had/has a yield problem and now you are discussing the finer points of what you made up in the first place. Get help. There are medications that will relieve the symptoms although I suspect the root cause is beyond relief. EP

To: Bill Jackson who wrote (86076)	1/8/2000 11:22:00 PM
From: Process Boy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571841

Bill - <Jim, Do you think it is the baggage that goes with the 'notched' gates that is causing the yield problems.> What yield problems? The answer is no, because there is no "yield problem" to the magnitude you are inferring. <edit> Clarification : If yields aren't 100%, I suppose there is always a "yield problem". Something is always #1 on the pareto until 100% is achieved. PB

To: Bill Jackson who wrote (86076)	1/9/2000 4:37:00 PM
From: Saturn V	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571841

Ref- <Do you think it is the baggage that goes with the 'notched' gates that is causing the yield problems> The disappointing Coppermine availability has led to all kinds of speculation regarding Coppermine process yield problems. My inferences: The Coppermine design problem ( slow speed) surfaced last June. To improve speeds Intel quickly attached a new process module with notched gates and faster transistors to the existing 0.18 micron process. Unfortunately with no significant manufacturing experience on the new process ,[ the earlier 0.18 micron process was running on a pilot line for more than 9 months+], Intel took the prudent approach of ramping the process slowly and starting only a limited number of wafers [ < 10%] on the new process. Apparently Intel has delivered 3million+ Coppermines, which indicates reasonably equivalent yields to the earlier products. Shortly a design change will be in manufacturing, which will enhance speeds significantly. So in Q1 there should be more and faster Coppermines. Overall not the normal execution expected from Intel, but given the situation, it was pretty good. AMD manufacturing is not as conservative as Intel. With the backs to the wall, they have taken major gambles which did not execute smoothly and caused the financial disasters of 98 and H1 99. However in H2 99 , the gambles have paid off.