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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: James R. Barrett who wrote (171)	1/9/2000 5:44:00 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Respond to of 1397

However, what if SJ told Jim she was going to the party that night. Remember, he saw her on Friday. What if Jim followed her in his car when she left the party and then continued to follow her until he picked her up on College St.? 1. No, they never met that night. Suzanne dropped off her paper at his office and wrote a note on it. 2. If Jim followed her in his car all the way to her apartment, he'd have to have been on foot to follow her through locked gates and across the old campus to Phelps Gate. His car would thus be quite far away. Again, if he got lucky and severed her aorta on the first or second stab there would not be much external bleeding. We need to discuss this more. There are two scenarios: 1. throat then head wounds, and 2. head then throat wounds. 1. Throat then head A slashed throat as you have indicated would bleed profusely bringing quick death. At that point there would be little incentive to stab her, let alone in such a hard area as through one's skull. 2. Head then throat How about this scenario: the killer struck first to the head, which, due to the hardness of the area, didn't kill her. So he kept stabbing her until she was essentially lifeless. Then he slit her throat just to be "sure" she was dead. - Jeff

To: James R. Barrett who wrote (171)	1/9/2000 6:28:00 PM
From: Janice Shell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

However, what if SJ told Jim she was going to the party that night. Remember, he saw her on Friday. What if Jim followed her in his car when she left the party and then continued to follow her until he picked her up on College St.? As Jeff pointed out earlier, in that case he'd at some point have had to leave his car and follow her on foot across campus. Then when she got to College St, he'd be carless, and not have the time to go back and get it. And we still have to deal with the fact that it's pretty certain that his own car wasn't used.

To: James R. Barrett who wrote (171)	1/10/2000 12:22:00 AM
From: CJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

< However, what if SJ told Jim she was going to the party that night. Remember, he saw her on Friday.> I read the other 2 replies to this; however, IMO, it is highly likely that Jim is correct on this; specifically: 1. On Friday 12/04, when Suzanne took the revised draft of her Thesis to Jim, in all probability she previously prepared the note that accompanied it. {In case any reader isn't familiar with the note, it was cordial, and, paraphrased:. " Here is the draft of my thesis. If you have any big problems with it, you can get ahold of me over the weekend. Thank you, Suzanne "} Contrary to Jeff, I do not attach anything about Suzanne's feelings towards Jim because of the tone of that note. She very well may have intended to file a formal complaint on Monday; that would not have changed the note at all. He was her Instructor and Senior Thesis Advisor. Every note she wrote to him would have been "cordial." 2. Re: When Jim and SJ met on the afternoon of 12/04: It has always seemed "odd" to me that Jim told newspaper reporters, TV News, or the NHPD, "I saw her that afternoon at 1:00 - 1:30 or around 4:00." ... At times, all of us become pre-occupied; but, not in that manner. "I don't recall what time she came by, it was after lunch." Fine. "It was between 1:00 when I returned from lunch and 2:15 when I left for a meeting." Fine. "I skipped lunch and stayed at my desk working. It was after the others left around 12:00 Noon, and before they returned at 1:30PM. Fine, too. ... I am not sure of the significance of it; but, people who are being untruthful about something are usually the ones who answer in the manner that he answered. 3. Keep in mind that the clock was on its final hours, and Suzanne was extremely stressed over it. The Thesis was due on Dec. 8th, the following Tuesday. 4. IMO, it is highly probable that, when Suzanne delivered the Thesis draft, they discussed what she was doing over the weekend, and that he was going to work on the the Thesis that afternoon and evening. Jim is quoted saying, "I was going to {get with her/go over it with her} {about/on} it {the next morning/Saturday morning}." {{ Sorry -- I'm too tired to look it-up.}} ... The relevance, IMO, is: If that was true, they made the arrangement when she was in his office that afternoon {because it departs from what she wrote in the note}; if it is not true, it makes more sense, given that he already knew he had plans to jog at 9:00 AM on Saturday morning. 5. It is also highly probable to me that if Jim told her that he was going to work on it that evening, she told him that she would be back at her apt. from the pizza party at approx. 8:45 PM, and they arranged for him to call her, or Suzanne to call him; AND, THAT is the reason she went to her apt. after parking the car, rather than going to return the keys. Did they make arrangements to meet on Friday night during the phone call ? Seems plausible to me. {{ I will separately follow-through with a new Scenario. }} < What if Jim followed her in his car when she left the party and then continued to follow her until he picked her up on College St.?> I can't picture that one as being very probable. <Again, if he got lucky and severed her aorta on the first or second stab there would not be much external bleeding. > Yes, that is a very good point.