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To: jbe who wrote (72872)	1/22/2000 7:22:00 PM
From: lorrie coey	Respond to of 108807

Not at All! No Novelty...It's Cammile Paglia's formula, Spouted by an Effeminate Southern Mister, who's clearly looking to hit the Jackpot with inflammatory Pablum. ~where are the booster chairs...?

To: jbe who wrote (72872)	1/22/2000 7:41:00 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 108807

<<is rape a sexual act, or an act of violence? >> My guess is it may be either. One rapist may be trying to spread his seed as the males who spread more tended to reproduce more. Kind of an evolutionary deal. OTOH rape does tend to terrify women, the violence and lack of control over reproduction. <<More properly: can a sexual act be violent?>> In nature yes. I've watched mallard duck hens return to places where they have been violently raped even after mating. My guess would be that this insures her eggs get fertilized in case her chosen mate is sterile. Also explains why the greenheads, drakes, don't care for the chicks.

To: jbe who wrote (72872)	1/22/2000 9:05:00 PM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Hi Joan! Re major flak and provocative, I can only wonder why the media attention and early publication. Since I wasn't here for the rape discussion, I will note -- but not argue -- that I favor a primary motivation of sex vs power. I submit that rape (other than in prison-like situations) is probably committed almost exclusively within the bounds of one's sexual orientation. Do you know of any habitual rapists who have attacked men, in addition to women? M&M (but only for you!)

To: jbe who wrote (72872)	1/22/2000 10:02:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

If I remember right we decided there were different kinds of rape- for example date rape by "normal" men where they decide the woman means yes, when she says no, is a bit different than the serial rapist who rapes anyone. Now I personally think boys need to be socialized to understand that even if they THINK the woman means yes they better hear her SAY yes or it's a no go. And I would agree that girls need to be told not to be so provocative that men may think their clothes are talking for them. In the animal world we know all about the kinds of clues (lordosis for example) that turn a male animal on. I am sure some postures/clothes/etc do that to human males (well actually I know they do- we covered some of that in college,as well as having it so OBVIOUSLY demonstrated in life) so it isn't (imo) untoward to tell women to (for their own safety) manage their body language. Good lord, we know there is a body language for mugging victims, seems obvious there would be one for rape victims as well- not ALL of them, but some of them. And although I know someone will jump on me for blaming the victim I do NOT blame, I feel I am merely describing. And NO, nothing a woman does should EXCUSE rape (as I know will be said of what I am writing) we must punish all rape, there is NO excuse, but I PERSONALLY would rather change my behavior and not be raped than act any way I choose and be a target and then have to prosecute. And YES, it would be better if men didn't rape but then we don't live in a perfect world yet as is quite obvious from this thread and the rest of the world.