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To: kash johal who wrote (91442)	2/4/2000 12:36:00 AM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575840

Kash, re:<By the time they [VIA] set up to compete with celeron and a socket 370 drop in Intel will essentially kill off the celeron by Q3> I think VIA is making Joshua in an FCPGA package. This is the same package as all future Coppermines. So Joshua systems will be upgradeable with Coppermines, which is a nice feature, and not true for Timna systems. Petz

To: kash johal who wrote (91442)	2/4/2000 6:30:00 PM
From: Hans de Vries	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575840

Kash: Re The CPU core only has 128K l2 cache not 256K I believe - so say 80mm2. The graphics and chipset and memeory controller may get up to 50mm2 max IMHO. A 3D graphics core is no small thing. It does several hundred operations per cycle compared to only a few for a processor (believe me, I know what I am talking about). This is the reason that I guess that the Timna die size will be twice as big as the PIII on the same process. somewhere in the 200mm2 area. They may save quite some mm2 on the padring area by going to flipchip packaging. It would be interesting to know the die size of the i810 since this one has integrated 3D graphics. Has anyone on the thread a clue? Hans.