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To: milo_morai who wrote (91731)	2/5/2000 5:24:00 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575883

Milo, we got some more HP stuff up. HP 8607 Athlon 600 Appears to be a model for the Taiwanese market at first glance. So, unless I missed some (Goutama!) , here is the HP Athlon list. HP 8610 Athlon 600 HP 8615 Athlon 700 HP 8620 Athlon 800 HP 8662 Athlon 550 Sold in Sams Club and Costco stores HP 8607 Athlon 600 for Taiwanese market, comes loaded with software set up for Chinese users. HP 8604 Athlon 550 Singapore market (HP.SG) HP 6511 Athlon 500 Singapore market HP 6605 Athlon 500 Singapore market HP 9686 Athlon 700 upgrade to 800 if desired. steve

To: milo_morai who wrote (91731)	2/5/2000 6:17:00 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575883

Re: Athlon running on KX133 is indeed faster than Intel's latest Coppermine-processor running on the i840-platform! Cheapest 840 mobo on Pricewatch is $319 - the 840 is an expensive board to produce KX133 board listed is $199 - but is an inexpensive board to produce and should be below $150 before 840 gets to $300. Now how much would you pay for a coppermine system? But wait, there's more! Cheapest rambus 64 meg is $458 for PC700 (PC600 is a little cheaper, but there's a reason you never see benchmarks for that trash) and you'll need two $916 bucks for memory. PC133 is $111 for 128meg of CAS3 and $154 for 128meg of CAS2 (that's certified to run at 133MHZ CAS2) And you'll have 2 open banks on your KX133 board for memory expansion, while the 840 has a single open bank remaining. AND the KX133 is faster! So the Athlon platform saves at least $882. So we should be comparing a 256 meg Athlon system bundled with a 21" monitor to a 128 meg Coppermine system bundled with a 17" inch montor - since that's what consumers will be choosing between. Now how much would you pay for a copppermine system? <VVVBG> Dan

To: milo_morai who wrote (91731)	2/5/2000 6:45:00 PM
From: Goutam	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 1575883

Milo, What can I say? Athlon running on KX133 is indeed faster than Intel's latest Coppermine-processor running on the i840-platform! This is what we would have expected in the first place." Bar Chart Inside www7.tomshardware.com Thanks for posting it. The performance increase with the new GEforce driver was very impressive. I'm delighted with this chipsets performance with PC133. we might see some more performance improvements, as the product matures and the required drivers are fine tuned. Via did a very good job with their KX133 design. Now, I also understand why the chip had been delayed - they took their time to release the chip without any major problems - which is very important at this early stages of Athlon infrastructure build up, and when you are going against a big propaganda machine out there. The fact that GEforce new drivers are released so soon after TOm's first report, and that Microsoft acquired some of these boards indicate to me that AMD and VIA are working very closely with the other players to ensure the availability of proper drivers without any undue delays. IMHO, KX133 will be successful in achieving the objectives behind the design of this chip - lower cost, higher performance with 133MHZ memory interface, to make Via a major supplier of chipsets, etc. We should soon start seeing releases of new motherboard based on KX133 and more Athlon proliferation. Goutama

To: milo_morai who wrote (91731)	2/6/2000 5:28:00 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575883

<Athlon running on KX133 is indeed faster than Intel's latest Coppermine-processor running on the i840-platform!> Oh well. I guess Coppermine's performance parity with Athlon wasn't bound to last. Too bad you guys had a tough time even admitting that Coppermine was able to keep up in the first place. Meanwhile, the lead that Athlon/KX133 has over Coppermine/840 seems rather slim, but it's remarkable that the former can even get there with only PC133 memory. Well, like I said before, AMD should do very well this year. This VIA KX133 chipset sure looks like a real winner. Tenchusatsu